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5 Nov 2021
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringermore like a week01:38:53
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI hope it either gets unlocked or things get moved to Discourse in the very near future01:39:15
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI don't have the power to do either of those things directly01:40:10
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerMy concern is that the language used (e.g. "model and enforce social norms") expresses a world where the moderation team is focused more on projecting a culture onto an existing community; rather ensure the community has is free of disruptive behavior.01:41:34
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesyes, those are different goals01:41:46
@irenes:matrix.orgIreneswe do mean the former01:41:51
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer * My concern is that the language used (e.g. "model and enforce social norms") expresses a world where the moderation team is focused more on projecting a culture onto an existing community; rather than ensure the community is free of disruptive behavior.01:42:04
@irenes:matrix.orgIreneswhich is why we called it a "community team" not a "moderation team"01:42:09
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerAnd that concerns me01:42:13
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerGreatly01:42:17
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesplease say more01:42:22
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerBecause I don't want to be part of that culture. I want to be part of the nix community.01:43:01
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerAnd you're forcing myself and everyone to "play by your rules"01:43:13
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerOne day, I'm going to step on an egg shell, an get banned. I don't want to be the 2nd genesis01:44:29
@irenes:matrix.orgIreneshow do you feel about the statement of values?01:44:30
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesone of the action items we have right now is to add some wording that more explicitly discusses what restorative justice is and what remedies there are that aren't bans01:45:12
@irenes:matrix.orgIreneswe tried heavily to allude to that by discussing mediation01:45:22
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesand by describing bans as, I think the word was, a "last resort"01:45:29
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesalong with some philosophy about why they are a last resort01:45:38
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerWhat about genesis' restorative justice. His temp ban has been ongoing since March01:45:44
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesbut it does need to be more explicit, with citations and stuff01:45:49
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesthat's not under the system the RFC would create01:45:55
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesit's being done by the existing volunteers who are very time-constrained01:46:11
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesthe RFC authors have no power over that situation01:46:27
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesexcept to whatever extent anyone cares what we think, I guess01:46:43
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesthe leadership development aspect of the RFC is intended, in part to ensure that the pool of people who can help with things is larger01:47:09
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesso that people's day jobs won't get in the way of it01:47:14
@irenes:matrix.orgIreneswhich will allow more nuanced remedies01:47:25
@irenes:matrix.orgIrenesI admit I'm not familiar with that person so I can't comment on the specifics01:47:46
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerEnglish was a second language for him, and he didn't understand that "their" could refer to a single individual01:48:27

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