| 5 Nov 2021 |
 Irenes | I sure hope we have some way to assess that seriously in this process | 01:33:47 |
| Irenes | I remember you giving feedback on the individual values that was basically removing every word you didn't see the purpose of, and my understanding of your likely motivation was that you wanted to remove things you don't understand because you see each word you don't understand as dangerous | 01:34:41 |
| Irenes | but again | 01:34:41 |
| Irenes | this was speculation | 01:34:43 |
| Irenes | I wasn't really thrilled that you were proposing to remove things rather than asking why they were there, but I was and am happy to continue discussing it because it's important to talk these things through | 01:35:11 |
| Irenes | you asked me for honesty | 01:35:42 |
| Irenes | so that is my honest assessment | 01:35:47 |
| Irenes | please note that that is a very generous assumption about your motivations there | 01:36:48 |
| Irenes | but I like to assume the best | 01:37:03 |
 jonringer | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
I remember you giving feedback on the individual values that was basically removing every word you didn't see the purpose of, and my understanding of your likely motivation was that you wanted to remove things you don't understand because you see each word you don't understand as dangerous I think a lot of people have an understanding of what is being proposed. Just a lot of people don't agree with it | 01:38:07 |
| Irenes | well, it would be great if they'd say that | 01:38:18 |
| Irenes | so we could talk about it | 01:38:29 |
| jonringer | It's been locked for a few days | 01:38:35 |
| Irenes | yeah I am distressed by that | 01:38:52 |
| jonringer | more like a week | 01:38:53 |
| Irenes | I hope it either gets unlocked or things get moved to Discourse in the very near future | 01:39:15 |
| Irenes | I don't have the power to do either of those things directly | 01:40:10 |
| jonringer | My concern is that the language used (e.g. "model and enforce social norms") expresses a world where the moderation team is focused more on projecting a culture onto an existing community; rather ensure the community has is free of disruptive behavior. | 01:41:34 |
| Irenes | yes, those are different goals | 01:41:46 |
| Irenes | we do mean the former | 01:41:51 |
| jonringer | * My concern is that the language used (e.g. "model and enforce social norms") expresses a world where the moderation team is focused more on projecting a culture onto an existing community; rather than ensure the community is free of disruptive behavior. | 01:42:04 |
| Irenes | which is why we called it a "community team" not a "moderation team" | 01:42:09 |
| jonringer | And that concerns me | 01:42:13 |
| jonringer | Greatly | 01:42:17 |
| Irenes | please say more | 01:42:22 |
| jonringer | Because I don't want to be part of that culture. I want to be part of the nix community. | 01:43:01 |
| jonringer | And you're forcing myself and everyone to "play by your rules" | 01:43:13 |
| jonringer | One day, I'm going to step on an egg shell, an get banned. I don't want to be the 2nd genesis | 01:44:29 |
| Irenes | how do you feel about the statement of values? | 01:44:30 |
| Irenes | one of the action items we have right now is to add some wording that more explicitly discusses what restorative justice is and what remedies there are that aren't bans | 01:45:12 |
