so let's try defining that again:

what I care about as the end goal, is diversity in the sense that the community is a welcoming and productive place for people of as many different backgrounds, experiences, worldviews, and identities as possible.

what I see as an indispensable part of that, and this is where my lines are drawn, is not tolerating ideologies and behaviour which actively aim to oppose (rather than advance) that goal - and that includes bigotry, and a couple of other ideologies that are founded specifically on exclusion of anyone outside of a very specific identity

In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
but I've also not found that definition to be widespread in moderation circles

Jonas Chevalier: I think we generally agree on goals and values, but I feel like you're missing some causal links here - if your goal is to allow 'a maximum of people to participate', then that amount of people is not only necessarily going to include people from many diverse backgrounds, but the software also needs to be representative of people with those diverse backgrounds, and be designed in such a way that it fits in their life.

I really, really do not like phrasing things like this, but it's the only way I can think of right now to produce an obvious example: "rich white cishet guys in the US and europe" have a specific set of circumstances in life due to their status in society, that is not shared by, say, a trans person or a black person in the US. those people will have different issues in life to contend with because they experience society differently (eg. a general looming threat of their environment), and as a result they will also have different needs from the software that they use, different concerns, and so on.

if we want to maximize both the usefulness of and participation in Nix(OS) as a project, then we need to account for those diverse experiences of life, and ensure that the community is a welcoming and safe place for them to contribute, and this lands you back at eg. the "not tolerating bigotry" point.

or in less words: it would be nice if people of different backgrounds and identities had comparable experiences in society, but the reality is that they do not, and so an inclusive community needs to account and compensate for that, and not just be "colorblind" or "neutral"

In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
you cannot have a functioning community (at scale) with both diversity and 'anti-diverse' ideology in coexistence, so one needs to go; and my choice for what needs to go is very definitively on the side of 'anti-diverse ideology'