| 4 Nov 2021 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | this is complexity that a project with a BDFL would not need to deal with at all | 16:20:38 |
 @jonringer:matrix.org | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
it reflects really well how nice Andreas Kling is as a person (if you watched any of his videos) I think that's fine if there's some way to ensure an alignment of values. But I don't think that's the case for nixpkgs. It's been demonstrated that we are polarized on the issue of moderation | 16:20:47 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | as it can operate on 'standard' social assumptions about hierarchies | 16:20:49 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
I only gave a small blip of the idea I had. the timed banned was just to allow time for the other moderation member to agree in a more permanent solution. One of which, could be a permanent ban if they feel like that is the correct course of action. And there would be more transparency around permanent actions I think this is (better) achievable without timed bans; my own moderation policy is generally that every ban is a permanent one until there is reason to believe that either the ban was in error (in which case the unban obviously comes with apologies and justification), or that the banned user will not reoffend or at least do their best not to reoffend | 16:22:51 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | this also puts less pressure on the moderator team as a whole to cast a final decision; if more time is needed, that is possible | 16:23:23 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | (which is important especially if the 'permanent solution' is meant to be mediation/deescalation, which is really difficult to do under time constraints) | 16:24:19 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | of course, implicit in this is that the moderation team does their best to handle this in a timely manner | 16:25:03 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | The timed ban was more or less meant to allow a "grace period" in which not everything is an emergency for the moderation team | 16:27:03 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | people can be aware for periods at a time. And I don't think it's a sustainable model for permanent solutions to always be the one avenue | 16:27:37 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | * people can be away for periods at a time. And I don't think it's a sustainable model for permanent solutions to always be the one avenue | 16:27:42 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | I would also like to get away from instances like blaggacao's ban here it's like, "we made a long term ban, but don't provide any details." | 16:28:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I mean, I call it 'permanent', but it's not really 'permanent', more 'untimed' | 16:29:21 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | A long term ban should have enough "supporting evidence" that the community will also agree with actions taken by the moderation team. | 16:29:23 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I have unbanned people in the past after everything from 5 minutes to 5 years | 16:29:38 |
| @jonringer:matrix.org | untimed and permanent are the same thing with less letters | 16:29:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | not quite; untimed bans have a terminal condition | 16:30:03 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | permanent bans do not | 16:30:08 |
