| 24 Nov 2021 |
 problems | plus then we could be deopped most of the time and only have mjolnir op us when needed | 22:01:27 |
| problems | mjolnir is the new chanserv :p | 22:01:42 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | you could do that, but keep in mind that PL changes are fairly heavy on homeservers when they are frequent | 22:02:13 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it also doesn't quite fix the issue of "who are the mods to talk to" | 22:02:24 |
| problems | we stated in the rfc that community team members should be listed on a page on the nixos website | 22:02:56 |
| problems | but yes, they should be discoverable through the chat platform itself | 22:03:09 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | right, that | 22:03:17 |
| problems | i believe mjolnir has functionality where you can dm the bot to ping the users in charge of it | 22:04:14 |
| problems | or ping the bot | 22:04:21 |
|  @withoutwithin:matrix.org joined the room. | 22:14:55 |
| 25 Nov 2021 |
 @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | in general if someone want's to spam matrix right now there is almost nothing that can be done except for invite only | 06:39:53 |
| @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | like you can beat someone manually creating accounts, but you can't beat botnet | 06:43:05 |
 Irenes | Heh, "meditation/mediation". I mean, like, I do meditation on a regular basis as part of my spiritual practice, it's a powerful tool but I think it's heavyweight for this. It's a lifestyle choice with far-reaching implications, and not a thing I'd push at other people. | 21:43:19 |
| Irenes | expecting people to learn something does make sense | 21:44:08 |
| Irenes | I do think that some level of actual training is reasonable to think about; I've been involved in putting trainings together before (on different topics) and it's something that could reasonably be part of things down the line | 21:45:07 |
| Irenes | though it's a lot of work | 21:45:10 |
| Irenes | ryblade, we definitely don't intend to allow the community team to become a tool for spreading American hegemony or anything like that, and we will clarify the kind of cultural stuff that's meant in the rewrite | 21:46:53 |
| Irenes | you also mentioned creating a hierarchical structure as not being something to jump to quickly; the RFC talks about non-hierarchy, and the rewrite will be more explicit about that | 21:47:24 |
| Irenes | I am really glad to see Jonas and joepie's responses to all this, I don't have a lot to add on top of what they said | 21:47:56 |
| Irenes | in regards to the question about what to do about ryblade's dissent, I wouldn't personally suggest stopping it. having a position that would be abusive if enacted is a different thing from engaging in abusive ways. this channel is specifically for discussing this kind of disagreement. | 21:50:27 |
| Irenes | the line for action should be somewhere in the general vicinity of behavior that agrees with the normal functioning of the community for others. | 21:51:00 |
 ryblade | it's more marxism i'm concerned about spreading than anything. | 21:51:05 |
| Irenes | this discussion doesn't meet that bar. | 21:51:08 |
| ryblade | oh i guess someone i can't see has already brought up the question of what to do with me, that doesn't really surprise me. so i've become that dangerous, without even using a single slur. | 21:52:00 |
| Irenes | how this should be codified is a hard question, because of "rules vs principles", but anyway those are my thoughts | 21:52:03 |
| Irenes | that was tomberek | 21:52:53 |
| Irenes | several hours ago | 21:52:55 |
| Irenes | I'm just responding to scrollback | 21:52:58 |
| Irenes | I'm now caught up | 21:53:00 |
| ryblade | * oh i guess someone i can't see has already brought up the question of what actions must be taken to deal with me, that doesn't really surprise me. so i've become that dangerous, without even using a single slur. | 21:53:10 |
