| 24 Nov 2021 |
 problems | we should strive to create things like that | 21:01:28 |
 @hexa:lossy.network | (https://libera.chat/guides/catalyst) | 21:48:47 |
| problems | i feel like the "only be opped up when necessary" thing has been lost on more modern chat platforms... | 21:52:32 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | yeah, though that policy also isn't without its drawbacks | 21:53:15 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | mainly that a) unless it is the dominant culture on a platform, a room/channel will look unmoderated, and b) it can be non-obvious how to locate a moderator in case of trouble | 21:53:51 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | not necessarily unsolvable problems, but definitely more work to get right than just not opping up | 21:54:12 |
| problems | on matrix, we'll be using mjolnir to moderate | 21:54:37 |
| problems | so i don't believe we need elevated permissions ourselves | 21:54:46 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | that can get very awkward when dealing with eg. alts and spambots | 21:55:09 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | because mjolnir doesn't integrate at all into the client UI | 21:55:16 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | so it ends up running afoul of the "it must cost less for you to ban someone than for them to create a new alt" rule | 21:55:49 |
| problems | right, though mjolnir is the only way to ban someone from all nix channels | 21:56:35 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | the alts generally only show up in one room IME | 21:56:52 |
| problems | fair | 21:57:08 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | don't think I've ever had someone persist in more than one room | 21:57:22 |
| * joepie91 🏳️🌈 ponders bot-provided UI elements | 21:57:53 |
| problems | the argument against community team members having elevated perms on matrix is that it's impossible to deop someone with the same power level as yourself | 21:58:05 |
| problems | though they could have a lower PL still able to perform moderation actions | 21:58:32 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | yeah, that's the sort of construction I'd be thinking of | 21:58:46 |
| problems | it does require someone to have the highest power level and depend on them | 21:59:09 |
| problems | which is why we opted to not use that for the core function of the community team | 21:59:29 |
| problems | we wanted them to be able to manage their own members | 21:59:39 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | mmm | 21:59:55 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | is that not doable through mjolnir | 22:00:02 |
| problems | maybe! i haven't read mjolnir's documentation, to be entirely honest | 22:00:25 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | idea being eg. mjolnir has PL 101 | 22:00:34 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | and lets team members set up to PL 100 for others | 22:00:42 |
| problems | if that is possible, it would be nice | 22:01:00 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | just casually suggest it in the general vicinity of Matthew | 22:01:18 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | :p | 22:01:19 |
