| 24 Nov 2021 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | this is a moderation problem. | 16:06:32 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | more specifically, this is precisely the kind of abusive behaviour that makes it impossible for other people to collaborate on something. | 16:09:13 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | and again, if that is something you consider a representative example of "moderation gone wrong", then I am very curious to hear what you would consider a reasonable point to moderate things at | 16:20:00 |
 @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | I am not sure if anyone is claiming anything to be representative, while there has been no moderation yet? | 18:05:09 |
| @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | well apart from old style moderation | 18:05:24 |
| @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | I think it's reasonble to express opinions, obviously too much repetition would be flooding, I did not inspect backlog too much in this case, generally expressing once that "people have to stand for this in 4chan, so they have to do it in nixos too" or something similar would not be reasonably a thing that would cause at least outright ban | 18:08:02 |
| @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | (I don't share that opinion though) | 18:08:23 |
 tomberek | There seems to be broad agreement that the vwarren8 incident (from early Aug RFC98) was justly and properly moderated. I've not heard anyone opposing that moderation or advocating reversing it. If we can achieve agreement on some minimum, it is something to start with and build upon. Is that where the bar should be? Most likely not. But I'd rather ensure we have agreement on something and make progress than be forever locked into debate. The "all or nothing" nature of this specific RFC and the discussion surrounding it is part of the problem causing additional turmoil. | 18:08:36 |
| @jkarlson:kapsi.fi | I don't claim to have understood, what someone else has said though | 18:08:44 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | tomberek: this has already been addressed a number of times | 18:09:37 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | including in the RFC 98 thread on github | 18:10:44 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | You mean RFC 101? | 18:11:09 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | no, 98 | 18:11:17 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/98#pullrequestreview-803228273 | 18:12:10 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | also, why did github not send me notifications for that anymore... | 18:12:33 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @piegames:matrix.org
You mean RFC 101?
| 18:12:35 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @piegames:matrix.org
You mean RFC 101? * * 114 | 18:12:37 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | But yeah, we meant the same thing | 18:12:44 |
 danielle | 
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| danielle | In reply to @joepie91:pixie.town
tomberek: I would be very much in favour of banning ryblade (you/your) over the behaviour that they have demonstrated not just over the past few days, but also the behaviour when this room first started, as it has been abusive like this since the start even before it started. | 20:00:14 |
| danielle | (That was in off topic around when this channel was created) | 20:01:34 |
 @hexa:lossy.network | indeed, the start of this channel was an annoying echo chamber | 20:24:33 |
 problems | oh, i forgot to mention | 21:00:56 |
| problems | i read through the libera thing that was linked | 21:01:13 |
| problems | it seems like an excellent resource | 21:01:20 |
| problems | we should strive to create things like that | 21:01:28 |
| @hexa:lossy.network | (https://libera.chat/guides/catalyst) | 21:48:47 |
| problems | i feel like the "only be opped up when necessary" thing has been lost on more modern chat platforms... | 21:52:32 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | yeah, though that policy also isn't without its drawbacks | 21:53:15 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | mainly that a) unless it is the dominant culture on a platform, a room/channel will look unmoderated, and b) it can be non-obvious how to locate a moderator in case of trouble | 21:53:51 |
