| 24 Nov 2021 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I assume you mean mediation courses, not meditation? :p | 10:38:48 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | in all seriousness, that is not a terrible idea | 10:39:06 |
 @zimbatm:numtide.com | I was joking halfly, meditation helps observing the world and diminish personal attack feelings | 10:40:47 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | while I agree in principle, I think it has too much cultural baggage to be a central dependency of the community management approach | 10:41:27 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | which is not to say that we can't borrow some ideas from it | 10:41:58 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | I agree, but it would be fun to see another technical community being centered around it | 10:42:14 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | (with my weird definition of fun :p) | 10:42:29 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | one suggestion that I sometimes make to people in emotional distress is somewhat related: grab a stopwatch, and set yourself a 1 minute delay for every message you send | 10:42:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | just, when you read something, wait for the stopwatch to expire, and only then write your reply | 10:43:01 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it's a very simple no-thought-required trick, just always one minute, and it helps a lot for people to collect their thoughts and respond less impulsively | 10:43:27 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | yeah that seems useful | 10:44:07 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it's also a much easier sell than 'meditation' because it looks purely pragmatic | 10:44:10 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | while still achieving pretty similar results | 10:44:27 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | meditation also takes much more time investment. It takes a while for the benefits to kick in. | 10:44:44 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | right | 10:44:55 |
| * joepie91 🏳️🌈 is now thinking about mediation courses | 10:45:19 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | similarly, I don't know that technically-minded people are necessarily ready to invest time to learn about leadership and moderation | 10:45:58 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | oh, they are not, that is why we have so many moderation issues in tech | 10:46:16 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it's not a part of the culture, yet | 10:46:22 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | in the same way that 'communication' in general isn't | 10:46:30 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | it's because the value is not immediately apparent | 10:46:51 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | that is probably a part of it, but there's another factor that I think should not be underestimated: the amount of people who went into computers because "computers are much easier to deal with than people" | 10:47:23 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | I think we can get quite far by setting up a team and try some of these things out, without the enforcement side | 10:47:24 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | I'm definitely one of those people :) | 10:47:47 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | * I think we can get quite far by setting up a team and try some of these things out, without the enforcement side (not saying we don't need the RFC) | 10:48:20 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | many people in tech communities are, but that has also shaped the culture around tech to consider 'dealing with humans' optional, which has a lot of ramifications not just in terms of moderation, but also project management, etc. | 10:48:23 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | a good example of this is the decision-making process in the Nix community, for technical things | 10:49:41 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | I noticed that things tend to be worked on alone | 10:50:10 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | it works fine for package bumps | 10:50:21 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | when the topic gets too large, we often end in decision-paralysis | 10:50:41 |
