| 22 Nov 2021 |
 @ryblade:matrix.org | In reply to @piegames:matrix.org
This. I've blocked a few peoples just because I absolutely can't stand them and don't want to interact with them on any level anymore. This does not mean that it would be right to ban them from the whole project just because we happen to work on the same software. hear hear | 23:27:10 |
 Irenes | I agree | 23:27:51 |
| Irenes | like notionally the softer remedy would be having a third party talk to both of you and try to work things out, but | 23:28:17 |
| Irenes | that isn't always appropriate either | 23:28:21 |
| Irenes | and we get that | 23:28:23 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
like notionally the softer remedy would be having a third party talk to both of you and try to work things out, but problem with that is if one party perceives themselves to be the "losing" party, out come the accusations of political bias or taking sides... that can get ugly fast. | 23:29:21 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
that isn't always appropriate either Moreover, it isn't always worth it. Sometimes you just agree to disagree, decide that it's best to keep at mutual distance, and then move on. I don't need to be friends with everybody on the internet. | 23:29:21 |
 @abathur:matrix.org | this is a very not-baked thought without much consideration of Nth-order consequences (it's something I've considered implementing in the context of game moderation, where you've got a fairly ~closed system--not sure it's compatible with an open community of peers...) that part of good moderation is creating the ~paper trail without much regard for whether it resulted in action | 23:29:42 |
 @hexa:lossy.network | man, I wish i could bookmark locations in the text I want to read after I messed up my readmarker | 23:30:21 |
| Irenes | yeah. | 23:30:34 |
| Irenes | I mean | 23:30:35 |
| Irenes | so like | 23:30:36 |
| Irenes | this is what I meant about the extension of corporate hegemony thing | 23:30:47 |
| Irenes | if the team's goal is to protect the status quo | 23:30:55 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
man, I wish i could bookmark locations in the text I want to read after I messed up my readmarker Quick. Go in offline mode on your phone and hope that the old read marker hasn't synced yet :D | 23:30:59 |
| Irenes | then any injustice embodied in the status quo is also defended | 23:31:05 |
| Irenes | and that means the team will always be biased towards defensive stuff like, yes, creating a paper trail | 23:31:26 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
man, I wish i could bookmark locations in the text I want to read after I messed up my readmarker (keep a Notes room with just yourself in it, where you paste permalinks to messages, the ones behind the timestamps) | 23:31:28 |
| Irenes | we're fortunate in Nix to be a loose affiliation of people who are all here for our own reasons | 23:31:52 |
| Irenes | with no real requirement for anyone to stay here | 23:31:57 |
| Irenes | and to the extent there's a legal structure involved, it's a non-profit | 23:32:06 |
| Irenes | so we don't have that pressure to keep things profitable | 23:32:14 |
| Irenes | or whatever | 23:32:16 |
| Irenes | and we can focus on doing what's right, instead | 23:32:25 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | In reply to @piegames:matrix.org
Moreover, it isn't always worth it. Sometimes you just agree to disagree, decide that it's best to keep at mutual distance, and then move on. I don't need to be friends with everybody on the internet. very mature take. if anything, i think encouraging others to be like this would help foster a stronger community. | 23:32:27 |
| Irenes | I do endorse that, it's just not right for every situation | 23:32:42 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | indeed. case by case. | 23:33:14 |
| @abathur:matrix.org | in this narrow context I guess I just mean that the problem with "just block them" isn't that you shouldn't just block them; it's that the community could in theory benefit from having a log that says a dozen contributors have blocked X for Y | 23:34:23 |
| @abathur:matrix.org | without it having to be punitive | 23:34:39 |
| @ryblade:matrix.org | i mean, after all, we're nix users at the end of the day. being self-sufficient is in our blood, i doubt there's going to be that many problems of people "running to the teacher" too often considering the caliber of our community. | 23:35:28 |
