| 22 Nov 2021 |
 Irenes | all right. I have no authority here, but as somebody who cares about stuff, I think both of you have said your piece and I'd like to ask you both to take a break and cool down a bit. | 23:55:26 |
 abathur | And part of good history is detaching the history mechanisms from punishment | 23:55:34 |
 ryblade | In reply to @abathur:matrix.org
I don't really feel like thinking out loud with absolute all caps rejections based on inferences it was one word and you were already warned about nit-picking over words and language policing | 23:55:38 |
| Irenes | you're free to ignore that request. | 23:55:39 |
| Irenes | but I think things will go better with a break. | 23:55:51 |
| ryblade | In reply to @abathur:matrix.org
I don't really feel like thinking out loud with absolute all caps rejections based on inferences * absolute? it was one word, and you were already warned about nit-picking over words and language policing | 23:56:03 |
| Irenes | that means both of you just to be clear | 23:56:24 |
| Irenes | stepping back only works if it's bilateral | 23:56:32 |
| ryblade | fair enough | 23:57:04 |
| Irenes | thanks <3 | 23:57:13 |
| ryblade | i needed that, thanks | 23:57:13 |
| 23 Nov 2021 |
|  Server Stats Discoverer (traveler bot) left the room. | 04:07:29 |
| 24 Nov 2021 |
 Jonas Chevalier | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
that is why we want to create a sustainable community team that helps equip the community with the tools they need to defuse most situations on their own without a community team member needing to be involved at all Is there any source material that we can use to learn more about the topic? | 10:13:06 |
| Jonas Chevalier | I'm thinking, we could already setup a mediation or moderation channel, even without the RFC, for people that are interested in the topic. | 10:13:39 |
| Jonas Chevalier | Especially mediation techniques is pretty interesting to me. I would rather people resolve their issues with one another rather than resorting to blocks. Blocks are sort of a bandaid. They create weird situations where people speak in the void because the other party has blocked them. It's a useful tool but it's also degrading the community as a whole. | 10:18:36 |
| Irenes | ashkitten should weigh in too, but I'm in favor of doing that, I just think there are situations where people won't engage in the same way, and some won't engage with the team at all, unless it has actual authority | 10:21:15 |
| Jonas Chevalier | sure | 10:21:34 |
| Irenes | like the process of ratifying the RFC is in part about saying as a community that we all actually want a process like this, that mediating disputes is a thing that should happen | 10:21:45 |
 ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | i think joepie91 has thoughts about this topic | 10:22:02 |
| ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | im going to sleep | 10:22:07 |
| Irenes | I think the restorative justice references that spacekookie's feedback mentioned are relevant to this | 10:22:33 |
| *  joepie91 🏳️🌈 appears | 10:22:33 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
Especially mediation techniques is pretty interesting to me. I would rather people resolve their issues with one another rather than resorting to blocks. Blocks are sort of a bandaid. They create weird situations where people speak in the void because the other party has blocked them. It's a useful tool but it's also degrading the community as a whole. I strongly agree with this, ftr | 10:22:55 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | like, very very strongly | 10:23:04 |
| Irenes | me too | 10:23:22 |
| Irenes | I think I'm on record saying that repeatedly | 10:23:27 |
| Jonas Chevalier | being able to beta test some of the ideas would be really good | 10:23:31 |
| Irenes | but in case I'm not, I'll say it again | 10:23:33 |
| Irenes | sure, that makes sense | 10:23:49 |
| Irenes | I think blocks are necessary and would exist even in my ideal state, but I also think any time they actually happen it's a strong indication that something went wrong | 10:24:10 |
