| 5 Nov 2021 |
 Irenes | please note that that is a very generous assumption about your motivations there | 01:36:48 |
| Irenes | but I like to assume the best | 01:37:03 |
 jonringer | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
I remember you giving feedback on the individual values that was basically removing every word you didn't see the purpose of, and my understanding of your likely motivation was that you wanted to remove things you don't understand because you see each word you don't understand as dangerous I think a lot of people have an understanding of what is being proposed. Just a lot of people don't agree with it | 01:38:07 |
| Irenes | well, it would be great if they'd say that | 01:38:18 |
| Irenes | so we could talk about it | 01:38:29 |
| jonringer | It's been locked for a few days | 01:38:35 |
| Irenes | yeah I am distressed by that | 01:38:52 |
| jonringer | more like a week | 01:38:53 |
| Irenes | I hope it either gets unlocked or things get moved to Discourse in the very near future | 01:39:15 |
| Irenes | I don't have the power to do either of those things directly | 01:40:10 |
| jonringer | My concern is that the language used (e.g. "model and enforce social norms") expresses a world where the moderation team is focused more on projecting a culture onto an existing community; rather ensure the community has is free of disruptive behavior. | 01:41:34 |
| Irenes | yes, those are different goals | 01:41:46 |
| Irenes | we do mean the former | 01:41:51 |
| jonringer | * My concern is that the language used (e.g. "model and enforce social norms") expresses a world where the moderation team is focused more on projecting a culture onto an existing community; rather than ensure the community is free of disruptive behavior. | 01:42:04 |
| Irenes | which is why we called it a "community team" not a "moderation team" | 01:42:09 |
| jonringer | And that concerns me | 01:42:13 |
| jonringer | Greatly | 01:42:17 |
| Irenes | please say more | 01:42:22 |
| jonringer | Because I don't want to be part of that culture. I want to be part of the nix community. | 01:43:01 |
| jonringer | And you're forcing myself and everyone to "play by your rules" | 01:43:13 |
| jonringer | One day, I'm going to step on an egg shell, an get banned. I don't want to be the 2nd genesis | 01:44:29 |
| Irenes | how do you feel about the statement of values? | 01:44:30 |
| Irenes | one of the action items we have right now is to add some wording that more explicitly discusses what restorative justice is and what remedies there are that aren't bans | 01:45:12 |
| Irenes | we tried heavily to allude to that by discussing mediation | 01:45:22 |
| Irenes | and by describing bans as, I think the word was, a "last resort" | 01:45:29 |
| Irenes | along with some philosophy about why they are a last resort | 01:45:38 |
| jonringer | What about genesis' restorative justice. His temp ban has been ongoing since March | 01:45:44 |
| Irenes | but it does need to be more explicit, with citations and stuff | 01:45:49 |
| Irenes | that's not under the system the RFC would create | 01:45:55 |
| Irenes | it's being done by the existing volunteers who are very time-constrained | 01:46:11 |
