| 4 Nov 2021 |
 piegames | *
so if you see anything, please send it my way
Jonas Chevalier simply read the existing discussions, especially those that turned out to be controversial or straight up toxic.
Observe how for example people quote known industry misogynists and how they react when called out.
Observer how "we need a code of conduct" and "some communities need safe spaces" are still controversial topics.
How these topics are ridiculed and dismissed with the usual SJW blabla.
And this doesn't only happen in discussions around these topics. Read for example the IRC/Matrix RFC and Discourse for some counter examples.
| 14:18:13 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | you are focusing on the mechanism, not the message behind it - classifying me together with said people because "you're all loud", but the loudness isn't the problem here, the oppressive and broadly unwelcoming subtext is | 14:18:19 |
 @zimbatm:numtide.com | I think there is something fundamental that is different in our understanding of the world | 14:19:14 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | Jonas Chevalier: almost certainly - but that is why I want to engage further on the topic, and why an outright dismissal of it as 'abstract' frustrates me, because that doesn't allow for aligning our understanding | 14:19:50 |
 tomberek | “as soon as it might make new people uncomfortable” is a very low bar. We can apply this very conversation as making many new people uncomfortable. With a bar that low, everything is potentially a problem and selectively picking out what is bad behavior becomes it’s own problem. | 14:20:25 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | tomberek: that is not what I said. | 14:20:49 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | the context around it matters. | 14:20:55 |
| @zimbatm:numtide.com | We're all projecting like crazy ^_^ | 14:21:05 |
| tomberek | Okay. Good. | 14:22:05 |
