| 4 Nov 2021 |
 moritz.hedtke | Good night. I should probably go to bed too :-) | 01:23:20 |
 jonringer | This is not fun for me. And dealing with inter-personal issues doesn't come easy for me. It causes me a lot of stress. | 01:24:03 |
| jonringer | Honestly, I'm pretty close to leaving the community | 01:24:14 |
| jonringer | I want to invest my free time in something that I find fun and interesting. Nix has bee more stress than enjoyment for the past 6 months | 01:25:06 |
| jonringer | * I want to invest my free time in something that I find fun and interesting. Nix has been more stress than enjoyment for the past 6 months | 01:25:17 |
 joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I can completely understand dealing with interpersonal conflict being stressful. however, that is not a justification for making that someone else's problem | 01:25:29 |
 tomberek | jonringer: that's the danger of all this.... raised stress... less participation..... less community | 01:25:31 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | but that is definitely the subtext of what's being argued here and in offtopic over the past few hours | 01:25:56 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | "I want to not have to care about what I say" | 01:26:04 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | (and I mean 'being argued' by people in general, not you specifically) | 01:26:37 |
| jonringer | For anyone who's actively contributed over the course of months to years, obviously they care about nixpkgs and the greater community | 01:26:38 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | no, it doesn't work that way | 01:26:51 |
| tomberek | Did you decide to do the Rust CoC approach? | 01:27:06 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | it is entirely possible to be an active contributor and still not care for all of the community, and in fact that's often where communities break apart | 01:27:13 |
| tomberek | or put that on hold for now? | 01:27:16 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | see also: https://intenseminimalism.com/2020/the-impact-of-toxic-influencers-on-communities/ | 01:27:26 |
| jonringer | I started the RFC but finding it hard to see it through the end. The RFC is long and stressful as well | 01:27:30 |
| tomberek | Understood. | 01:27:41 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | "contributing to a technical project" and "caring for a healthy community" are two distinct things | 01:27:45 |
| jonringer | * I started the RFC but finding it hard to see it through the end. The RFC process is long and stressful as well | 01:27:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | (and a healthy project needs people who do both) | 01:28:40 |
| jonringer | Yes, but playing a "single person version" of the technical game doesn't keep you engaged after a long time. And there's many different aspects that people may find rewarding or burdening | 01:28:45 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | I don't see how this relates to what I've said | 01:29:16 |
| jonringer | Some people want to focus on the technical side, but interacting with other contributors is still a key part of this. Likewise, some people may like that they have found others with similar interests | 01:30:11 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 |
but interacting with other contributors is still a key part of this
this is correct, and it's actually a big part of why I said "everything is political"
| 01:30:39 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | technical contributions aren't just posting some code, it involves interaction and collaboration, and personality and ideology will shine through in that | 01:31:14 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | which is why it is a problem when you have, say, a misogynist contributor | 01:31:33 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | because they will end up making women feel unsafe in contributing to the project | 01:32:07 |
| jonringer |
relating to the ideas or strategies of a particular party or group in politics.
If you want to take that in context of nix being a party or group, then sure.
| 01:32:16 |
| joepie91 🏳️🌈 | just in ways that are more subtle than a 'formal' political discussion | 01:32:26 |
