| 3 Nov 2021 |
 ryblade | btw, i love how just by taking this side someone is already trying to assume my gender. i thought that was a cardinal sin among those types. | 18:46:40 |
 GallantChef | I did actually laugh out loud when that happened | 18:46:53 |
| ryblade | in offtopic, not here | 18:46:58 |
| ryblade | should i be reporting that? :D | 18:47:04 |
| GallantChef | Heh | 18:47:08 |
| GallantChef | Well, a well defined CoC that's in-line with values that are truly anti-authoritarian and consistent with distaste for woke nonsense would be great | 18:47:42 |
| GallantChef | But I suspect they won't be very receptive to that | 18:47:48 |
| ryblade | make it anyway | 18:48:09 |
 philipp | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
Give them no quarter This is not acceptable neither in language nor in the ideas behind it. Cut it out. | 18:48:17 |
| ryblade | it can't hurt to at least put it out there and get their reaction :) | 18:48:27 |
| GallantChef | Maybe "hey look, it's a CoC!" will be enough of a gesture to placate them | 18:48:32 |
| GallantChef | Frankly, the Rust one is not too bad | 18:49:00 |
| ryblade | i've honestly thought an objectively worded anti-authoritarian CoC is a long time coming, something robust, not just some meme project | 18:49:02 |
| GallantChef | I'm genuinely interested in such a thing | 18:49:16 |
| ryblade | haven't read the rust one, i'll do that today for sure. | 18:49:36 |
| GallantChef | They tend to focus on the software, and not the politics or drama | 18:49:48 |
| GallantChef | Which I feel is the appropriate direction for a software project | 18:49:59 |
 jonringer | Yea, but you have to have some sort of foundation. In 99% of my interaction in nixpkgs, things are pretty technical and dry. It's very rare that a CoC is really needed. | 18:50:00 |
| GallantChef | It's only needed because of non-participants asking for one | 18:50:19 |
| jonringer | But when incidents do arise, do you want something to say, "You are out of line, and this is why" | 18:50:20 |
| ryblade | this sort of crap honestly feels like a hostile takeover, and it's always the usual suspects involved, too... not gonna say more than that for fear of stirring the hornet's nest. | 18:50:21 |
| jonringer | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
It's only needed because of non-participants asking for one some of the people in the discussion do participate. And there's more way to participate than just issues and PRs | 18:50:45 |
| jonringer | In reply to @gallantchef:matrix.foxears.life
It's only needed because of non-participants asking for one * some of the people in the discussion do participate. And there's more ways to participate than just issues and PRs | 18:50:52 |
|  tomberek joined the room. | 18:50:56 |
| ryblade | this needs to be stopped before they start demanding to know our vax status too | 18:50:59 |
| jonringer | In reply to @ryblade:matrix.org
this needs to be stopped before they start demanding to know our vax status too I don't think that's the narrative. | 18:52:03 |
| ryblade | perhaps that was a bit far, but who knows at this point. i'm always afraid of the "never satisfied" complex of internet authoritarians. | 18:52:54 |
| GallantChef | The initial narrative matters precious little, because if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Or centimetre, and kilometre if we want to use internationally inclusive language | 18:53:16 |
| GallantChef | Once they have their moderator committee, eventually they'll install more people who think like them | 18:53:46 |
| GallantChef | And then it's all over but the crying | 18:53:49 |
