| 13 Sep 2024 |
 Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | The ecosystem is just fundamentally centered around downloading dependencies using build tools, which in the case of Java, can be non-trivial to analyze ahead of time | 15:07:17 |
 trexd | Yeah I'm just working with an incredibly complex gradle project and I'm wondering if I rewrote everything how I would make my life easier on the nix side. | 15:09:19 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Ideally someone would make a PR to gradle that makes lockfiles a thing,
But the likelihood of that is slim lol | 15:10:07 |
| trexd | the lockfiles are just so useless in our case because there are dependencies that are fetched at build time. It's honestly very difficult for me to wrap my head around. | 15:11:36 |
| trexd | sorry just ranting a bit | 15:11:55 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Nah I get it, I work on Minecraft mods and it's gradle all the way down lmao | 15:15:23 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | (Honestly one of the few things I don't build with Nix because it's really annoying) | 15:17:12 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | (For those unfamiliar, Minecraft modding has a lineage of gradle plugins for handling the process, including downloading dependencies, decompiling and deobfuscating/remapping sources, and then stitching everything back up together) | 15:18:29 |
| trexd | Just got my first job out of college and I was very excited to bring Nix into my work but I got really unlucky getting stuck on this gradle based project. I can solve many of the problems that we're having using Nix but gradle is such a blocker. Our security team wants hashes for everything and a clear lineage between dependencies and Nix would be perfect for this but because I can't use Nix, I'm writing some jank version of nix's phases in our CICD pipelines and it's sooooooo painful. | 15:21:05 |
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| trexd | tad: Any updates on gradle2nix v2? Don't mean to pressure you. Just curious. | 14:12:12 |
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| emily | hi there, I'm working on the JDK 22 EOL / JDK 23 update. I have some questions about the state of JDKs in Nixpkgs, especially after seeing Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️'s PR working on some of the cleanup | 18:13:09 |
| emily | by my count, we ship from-source builds of OpenJDK (bootstrapped through Temurin), and binary distributions of Zulu, Temurin, Semeru, and Amazon Corretto | 18:13:57 |
