| 20 Sep 2025 |
 emily | but it needs additional work and wiring up to replace our current bootstrap tools | 02:44:48 |
| emily | likely not worth putting large effort into source-based bootstraps before that is done | 02:44:58 |
 msgilligan | Yeah, Gradle (aka franken-gradle) is a bootstrapping nightmare | 02:45:16 |
| msgilligan | I’ve been following the efforts of the Debian team on getting newer than the (heavily-modified, “franken-gradle”) 4.4 that they are currently shipping. | 02:47:29 |
| msgilligan | I’ll probably move some of my main projects to Maven just for this reason. I’ve proposed it for bitcoinj, because making it build with Gradle 4.4 is very time-consuming. But the lead developer wants to be able to bundle in Debian | 02:49:37 |
| emily | Debian and language ecosystems is a painful combination :) | 02:51:01 |
| msgilligan | Part of the reason Debian Gradle is blocked at 4.4 is that is when they added Kotlin | 02:51:24 |
| msgilligan | I’m a noob with big ambitions! | 02:52:18 |
| msgilligan | And I know that bootstrapping is out of reach for JDK in Nix for now, but someday I hope we can do it. | 02:54:10 |
| msgilligan | I need to take a second look at Guix, but I don’t even have time for that right now. | 02:54:53 |
| msgilligan | Would it be possible to use OpenJDK 25 to build OpenJDK 26 (at least initially) ? | 03:04:58 |
| msgilligan | (after we bootstrap 25 with Temurin) | 03:05:33 |
| emily | yes, but very low value | 03:08:56 |
| emily | it mostly just means it will take longer, since it is still rooting to a binary Temurin | 03:09:06 |
| msgilligan | I need one of those Ampere systems | 03:10:57 |
| msgilligan | And to upgrade my laptop to an M4 Pro | 03:11:33 |
| emily | well I say "yes" but it depends on whether you can actually bootstrap JDK n+1 with JDK n | 03:13:08 |
| emily | I assume you can because it would be nuts otherwise | 03:13:15 |
| emily | but people do commit such crimes | 03:13:19 |
| emily | (ideally you could hop from one LTS to the next but I'm guessing you cannot) | 03:13:29 |
| msgilligan | I will eventually look into it | 03:14:17 |
| emily | I would worry more about the C → any OpenJDK part before trying to do the rest | 03:14:54 |
 Tomodachi94 (they/them) | Here's how Guix does it: https://bootstrappable.org/projects/java.html | 03:40:42 |
|  @98765abc:mozilla.org left the room. | 08:03:36 |
| Tomodachi94 (they/them) | As far as release blockers:
- Definitely remove Gradle 7 before the release, it's unsupported upstream
- Is Java 24 still in tree? We should drop it if so
| 22:24:44 |
| 21 Sep 2025 |
| Tomodachi94 (they/them) | (Assuming that it goes EOL before or during the support cycle) | 00:24:39 |
| msgilligan | Java 24 is EOL as soon as Java 25 is released. | 00:25:25 |
| msgilligan | We’ve still got Java 23 in tree, so we should remove that first. | 00:26:00 |
| Tomodachi94 (they/them) | Tracked at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/444846 | 03:28:22 |
| 22 Sep 2025 |
 Benedikt Ritter (britter) | Can I get a review here https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/445032 just a version bump | 07:28:42 |
