| 19 Sep 2025 |
 msgilligan | * On aarch64-linux against master, I'm getting (Let me re-do this) | 17:17:28 |
 emily | 7 years since the release of the LTS after it | 17:18:17 |
| msgilligan | I think we should charge for it 🤣 | 17:19:05 |
 Ami | now is definitely the time to move away from java 8 for things that haven't already, but it's not EOL yet | 17:21:50 |
 Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | I have a $0 bet going with myself that Java 8 will somehow get an even more extended EOL date | 17:39:49 |
| msgilligan | As long as companies are willing to pay for it... | 17:40:24 |
| emily | there's no rule that says distributions have to keep every piece of software until it goes EOL though. especially not 5 more years for a version that requires quite a lot of patching and derivation complexity already | 17:45:55 |
| emily | the binaries are one thing since those are low-maintenance | 17:46:08 |
| emily | IIRC Debian already dropped 8 a while back | 17:46:10 |
| emily | it's not used by much in the tree. I think it is basically just old Minceraft versions that haven't had people patch them for newer Java already. which the binary would suffice fine for | 17:46:40 |
| emily | of course enterprises will probably pay to keep it alive until the sun goes out, but they're not paying Nixpkgs… | 17:47:09 |
| Ami | yeah, sorry, should've phrased it differently, didn't mean to imply all of that | 17:49:21 |
| emily | I'm just crabby about al lthe conditionals I ahd to add for 8 :P | 17:50:16 |
| emily | Minecraft folks should finish porting all the other versions so that nobody has use for it any more | 17:50:35 |
| Ami | enterprises insisting on sticking to a particular version should have that version be their problem entirely :p | 17:50:59 |
| Ami | as an archive enthusiast and old minecraft enjoyer it feels wrong that any maintenance would be required for old software, sometimes that feeling leaks out a bit too much | 17:54:17 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | If Java 8 gets dropped by Nixpkgs, I might bring a copy of it over to nix-minecraft for that reason, tbh | 17:55:19 |
| msgilligan | I made a repo with my hacked-together, proof-of-concept, incomplete nix-jdk-dashboard utility. It's basically a combination of Nix, BASH, and jq but it might be useful to someone. And if any of the Nix experts in here have any suggestions for improvement, I'd love to hear them. | 18:09:00 |
| msgilligan | Two major missing pieces are:
- It isn't able to figure out what JDKs are in Nixpgs automatically (it uses the
jdks.nix file)
- It is not pulling the latest releases of JDKs from upstream and showing which ones are behind.
| 18:10:19 |
| msgilligan | But the following command:
./nix-jdk-dashboard.sh master | jq '.packages
| to_entries
| map(select(.key | startswith("openjdk")))
| map(.value.version)'
| 18:10:45 |
| msgilligan | Produces the following output:
[
"21.0.8+9",
"11.0.27+6",
"17.0.16+8",
"21.0.8+9",
"24.0.2+12",
"8u462-b08"
]
| 18:11:21 |
| msgilligan | But I can manually compare to the versions in zulu or temurin in sdkman to see where we are behind. | 18:13:27 |
| msgilligan | * But I can manually compare to the versions in zulu or temurin in sdkman to see where we are behind. | 18:13:38 |
| msgilligan | * Produces the following output (for master):
[
"21.0.8+9",
"11.0.27+6",
"17.0.16+8",
"21.0.8+9",
"24.0.2+12",
"8u462-b08"
]
| 18:14:55 |
| msgilligan | * Produces the following output (for master on aarch64-darwin):
[
"21.0.8+9",
"11.0.27+6",
"17.0.16+8",
"21.0.8+9",
"24.0.2+12",
"8u462-b08"
]
| 18:16:16 |
| msgilligan | * Produces the following output (for master on aarch64-linux):
[
"21.0.8+9",
"11.0.27+6",
"17.0.16+8",
"21.0.8+9",
"24.0.2+12",
"8u462-b08"
]
| 18:17:36 |
| msgilligan | So that suggests that we are behind:
11.0.27 -> 11.0.28
| 18:19:49 |
| msgilligan | On master for aarch64-darwin, I get:
[
"21.0.8",
"11.0.24",
"17.0.12",
"21.0.8",
"24.0.2",
"8.0.422"
]
| 18:20:30 |
| msgilligan | So that suggests we are behind:
8.0.422 -> 8.0.462
11.0.24 -> 11.0.28
17.0.12 -> 17.0.16
But Darwin is using `zulu`, so these are Zulu updates that need to happen.
| 18:23:42 |
| msgilligan | * So that suggests we are behind:
8.0.422 -> 8.0.462
11.0.24 -> 11.0.28
17.0.12 -> 17.0.16
But Darwin is using zulu, so these are Zulu updates that need to happen.
| 18:24:36 |
