| 24 Sep 2024 |
 emily | are there that many obstacles to a Darwin source build? | 19:48:52 |
| emily | OpenJDK doesn't have that many dependencies, does it? | 19:48:57 |
| emily | (I don't think there's too much reason to prefer one TCK-certified OpenJDK build over another if one meets our needs better though, since it's all the same stuff – but sticking with Temurin and leaving OpenJFX to source builds sounds reasonable to me) | 19:49:42 |
| emily | FWIW I use Darwin so I might be able to unblock source JDK, though I don't really want to spend too much time on it as I've only really ended up touching Java stuff because of my FFmpeg work or like now for security reasons :) | 19:52:43 |
 Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | My only connection to JDK has been Minecraft lmao
I just decided "Nobody else is doing this and I nerdsniped myself so this is my moment" | 20:21:25 |
| 25 Sep 2024 |
| emily | btw, it looks like the JDK 8 distributions will be ending support in ~2 years with the expected OpenJDK EOL | 03:20:11 |
| emily | the 6 years I was looking at was for Oracle builds | 03:20:23 |
| emily | but Temurin and Corretto are giving up sooner | 03:20:42 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Wait | 03:20:44 |
| emily | (looks like Zulu is going for 6-8 more years though?) | 03:20:54 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Oracle builds are dying after 6 years? | 03:20:54 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | I'll finally stop having to deal with java.com in 6 years? | 03:21:14 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Yippie! | 03:21:16 |
| emily | https://endoflife.date/oracle-jdk lists 6 more years of extended support for JDK 8. but those are proprietary builds that aren't relevant to us | 03:21:23 |
| emily | I'm not really sure why there's so much disparity. the GPL OpenJDK licence means that any of these longer-term support builds (at least from not-Oracle) will have to release the source for their patches anyway | 03:22:12 |
| emily | but Temurin 8 going EOL will mean there won't be a bootstrap JDK for 8, so realistically we'll probably have to stop supporting it within a couple years | 03:22:37 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Yep | 03:22:54 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Minecraft players will suffer, probably | 03:23:07 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Or more accurately will install lwjgl3ify | 03:23:33 |
| emily | I should have the JDK 22 → 23 PR up within a day or two, anyway :) | 03:23:35 |
| emily | all of the Zulu JDKs were versions behind; it definitely seems like the most neglected JDK we ship. perhaps I'll poke at unifying the OpenJDK/OpenJFX source expressions and getting them to build on macOS soon so we can forgo it. | 03:24:22 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Old Minecraft versions requiring Java 8 specifically is why Prism Launcher has a Java 8, 17, and 21 dependency, definitely one of the funnier situations | 03:24:41 |
| emily | makes sense :) | 03:25:12 |
| emily | also makes sense that someone has put in all the effort to porting old Minecraft to newer versions | 03:25:32 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | It isn't even Minecraft that is the problem really, it's the game library and mods that tend to hard-dep Java 8 | 03:26:08 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Though the game library is more flexible with it, and there is a mod for bumping the game library version | 03:26:28 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | That said, when there's a will there's a way, and Minecraft modders have no shortage of both | 03:27:49 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | * That said, where there's a will there's a way, and Minecraft modders have no shortage of both | 03:27:58 |
| emily | maybe they can single-handedly maintain OpenJDK 8 | 03:28:16 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | When you've gone to the level of inventing Javaagent-based raw byte code manipulation tools, the base game stops being an obstacle lmao | 03:28:30 |
