| 7 Jul 2021 |
 fzakaria (Old) | if anyone has experience hacking on Maven itself please reach out. I've been thinking about a proper solution to Nix + Java, I think it needs a large fork of maven. | 03:00:52 |
|  cybersiddhu joined the room. | 16:29:26 |
| 15 Jul 2021 |
 nbathum | fzakaria, please excuse this notion if it is not relevant as I'm unfamiliar with the specific constraints of your projects and work. but is it at all possible for you to use gradle? | 11:43:08 |
| 21 Jul 2021 |
| fzakaria (Old) | Not for my current project or onboarding many projects; | 04:03:03 |
| fzakaria (Old) | Im also happy to start the holy-war argument of Gradle vs Maven | 04:03:19 |
| fzakaria (Old) | (For how much I dislike the lack of improvement to Maven, I am more in the favor of declarative config) | 04:03:44 |
| fzakaria (Old) | * (For how much I dislike the lack of improvement to Maven, I am more in the favor of declarative config for dependency management) | 04:03:55 |
| 22 Jul 2021 |
| nbathum | Oh. Does Gradle get into more non-declarative land? I have only done small prototyping level projects using it. | 15:21:41 |
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| 23 Jul 2021 |
 Gytis Ivaskevicius | I beleive "declarative" is just that you define everything in a config. If thats the case - yeah, it is declarative | 07:07:08 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | in fact it is similar to Nix in few ways:
- basically does everything, can build pretty much whatever you want
- Uses programming language (either groovy or kotlin, you decide)
- Is capable of bunch of cool integrations
| 07:08:31 |
