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19 Sep 2025
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilligan (I ran that on aarch64-darwin, so it didn't check 8, I haven't updated it to check all platforms) 17:09:35
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilycan we drop 8 yet 🫠17:11:21
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilligan *

Using my WIP dashboard script it seems that the following are "behind":
17.0.12 -> 17.0.16
11.0.24 -> 11.0.28

(This is for nixpkgs-unstable)

17:12:28
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilligan

On aarch64-linux against master, I'm getting:

{
  "corretto11": "11.0.26.4.1",
  "corretto17": "17.0.14.7.1",
  "corretto21": "21.0.6.7.1",
  "openjdk11": "11.0.27+6",
  "openjdk17": "17.0.16+8",
  "openjdk21": "21.0.8+9",
  "openjdk24": "24.0.2+12",
  "semeru-bin-11": "11.0.23",
  "semeru-bin-17": "17.0.9",
  "semeru-bin-21": "21.0.3",
  "semeru-jre-bin-11": "11.0.23",
  "semeru-jre-bin-17": "17.0.9",
  "semeru-jre-bin-21": "21.0.3",
  "temurin-bin-23": "23.0.2",
  "temurin-bin-24": "24.0.1",
  "temurin-jre-bin-11": "11.0.27",
  "temurin-jre-bin-17": "17.0.15",
  "temurin-jre-bin-21": "21.0.7",
  "temurin-jre-bin-23": "23.0.2",
  "temurin-jre-bin-24": "24.0.1",
  "zulu11": "11.0.24",
  "zulu17": "17.0.12",
  "zulu21": "21.0.8",
  "zulu24": "24.0.2"
}
17:14:06
@ami:the-apothecary.clubAmi
In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
can we drop 8 yet 🫠
that would come rather suddenly... for now 		17:15:14
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilligan * ~~On aarch64-linux against master, I'm getting~~ (Let me re-do this) 17:17:12
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyit is not even a little bit sudden17:17:28
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilligan * On aarch64-linux against master, I'm getting (Let me re-do this) 17:17:28
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily7 years since the release of the LTS after it17:18:17
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilliganI think we should charge for it 🤣17:19:05
@ami:the-apothecary.clubAminow is definitely the time to move away from java 8 for things that haven't already, but it's not EOL yet17:21:50
@infinidoge:inx.moeInfinidoge 🏳️‍⚧️I have a $0 bet going with myself that Java 8 will somehow get an even more extended EOL date17:39:49
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilliganAs long as companies are willing to pay for it...17:40:24
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilythere's no rule that says distributions have to keep every piece of software until it goes EOL though. especially not 5 more years for a version that requires quite a lot of patching and derivation complexity already17:45:55
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilythe binaries are one thing since those are low-maintenance17:46:08
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyIIRC Debian already dropped 8 a while back17:46:10
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyit's not used by much in the tree. I think it is basically just old Minceraft versions that haven't had people patch them for newer Java already. which the binary would suffice fine for17:46:40
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyof course enterprises will probably pay to keep it alive until the sun goes out, but they're not paying Nixpkgs…17:47:09
@ami:the-apothecary.clubAmiyeah, sorry, should've phrased it differently, didn't mean to imply all of that17:49:21
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI'm just crabby about al lthe conditionals I ahd to add for 8 :P17:50:16
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyMinecraft folks should finish porting all the other versions so that nobody has use for it any more17:50:35
@ami:the-apothecary.clubAmienterprises insisting on sticking to a particular version should have that version be their problem entirely :p17:50:59
@ami:the-apothecary.clubAmias an archive enthusiast and old minecraft enjoyer it feels wrong that any maintenance would be required for old software, sometimes that feeling leaks out a bit too much17:54:17
@infinidoge:inx.moeInfinidoge 🏳️‍⚧️If Java 8 gets dropped by Nixpkgs, I might bring a copy of it over to nix-minecraft for that reason, tbh17:55:19
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilligan I made a repo with my hacked-together, proof-of-concept, incomplete nix-jdk-dashboard utility. It's basically a combination of Nix, BASH, and jq but it might be useful to someone. And if any of the Nix experts in here have any suggestions for improvement, I'd love to hear them. 18:09:00
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilligan

Two major missing pieces are:

  1. It isn't able to figure out what JDKs are in Nixpgs automatically (it uses the jdks.nix file)
  2. It is not pulling the latest releases of JDKs from upstream and showing which ones are behind.
18:10:19
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilligan

But the following command:

./nix-jdk-dashboard.sh master | jq '.packages 
   | to_entries 
   | map(select(.key | startswith("openjdk"))) 
   | map(.value.version)'
18:10:45
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilligan

Produces the following output:

[
  "21.0.8+9",
  "11.0.27+6",
  "17.0.16+8",
  "21.0.8+9",
  "24.0.2+12",
  "8u462-b08"
]
18:11:21
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilligan But I can manually compare to the versions in zulu or temurin in sdkman to see where we are behind. 18:13:27
@msgilligan:matrix.orgmsgilligan * But I can manually compare to the versions in zulu or temurin in sdkman to see where we are behind. 18:13:38

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