| 27 Mar 2025 |
 emily | Minecraft hasn't been on JDK 8 for a long time | 01:32:15 |
 Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Old versions of Minecraft are though, and they are still regularly played | 01:33:08 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Prism has a jdk8 dependency for this reason | 01:33:15 |
 msgilligan | My thumbs-up here is just for Minecraft being cool and Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ and I discussing Minecraft at Planex Nix. I don't personally know to what extent the Minecraft community is till using JDK 8. | 01:33:55 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | JDK 8 still gets updates, and Oracle is hellbent on keeping it alive, as much as I hate it | 01:34:36 |
| msgilligan | * My thumbs-up here is just for Minecraft being cool and Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ and I discussing Minecraft at Planex Nix. I don't personally know to what extent the Minecraft community is still using JDK 8. | 01:35:23 |
| emily | only for another year or two iirc | 01:36:02 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | The day java.com serves something other than Java 8, I'm going to go out and get celebratory ice cream | 01:36:41 |
| emily | really though if it was the difference between being >two months late on JDK CVEs or not then old versions of Minecraft definitely wouldn't be enough reason to keep JDK 8 around (but I don't think it actually is that simple, of course) | 01:37:08 |
| msgilligan | I can't make in promises for 25.05, other than trying to help with jextract and to lurk and learn and hope to be able to help out with JDKs on 25.11. | 01:37:20 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | I think the biggest thing we need is an update script | 01:37:46 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | If we can get r-ryan making PRs for JDK bumps, we could easily review them and get them merged quickly without much effort | 01:38:16 |
| msgilligan | * I can't make any promises for 25.05, other than trying to help with jextract and to lurk and learn and hope to be able to help out with JDKs on 25.11. | 01:38:24 |
| emily | it already does make them | 01:38:38 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Is anyone on the Java team a committer? If not, we may want to nominate someone for committer status | 01:38:39 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
it already does make them Really? I don't think I've gotten pinged for them. Or I've somehow missed every one | 01:38:58 |
| emily | it has them open right now | 01:39:04 |
| emily | I redid the update script when I consolidated them | 01:39:21 |
| emily | JFX should work too although that setup is more complicated so more likely to be broken | 01:39:44 |
| emily | I believe @tomodachi94:matrix.org is a committer | 01:40:03 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | Wild.
I'll go make sure they're reviewed when I get on my laptop so we can get them merged | 01:40:27 |
| emily | still I do believe that keeping around more JDKs is just going to result in carrying tons of unmarked EOL ones like before | 01:40:38 |
| emily | at least with LTS they only go EOL very rarely :) | 01:40:55 |
| Infinidoge 🏳️⚧️ | I think we mainly need a defined policy somewhere, and make a regular culling every new LTS release | 01:41:26 |
| emily | I think it would be best to focus on making sure that we reliably don't cut stable releases with vulnerable LTS updates before worrying about setting policies for expanding the set | 01:50:20 |
| msgilligan | That would be the "policy" then:
We try the best we can to keep all non-EOL LTS JDKs up-to-date.
| 01:53:53 |
| msgilligan | ... or something like that. | 01:54:42 |
| msgilligan | I guess I could help by testing PRs like this one:
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/379073 | 01:56:47 |
| msgilligan | * I guess I could help by testing PRs like this one?
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/379073 | 01:56:59 |
 Tomodachi94 (they/them) | I am. Happy to review and merge PRs, though I currently lack the capacity to do larger or longer builds | 01:58:50 |
