| 25 Nov 2022 |
 Sandro 🐧 | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
Nope I pocked him with that a while ago and he gave me. Are you already in the nix-community org? | 18:47:42 |
 K900 | Not sure | 18:47:54 |
| Sandro 🐧 | nope | 18:48:12 |
| Sandro 🐧 | I poked mic about it. When he invited you, you should get a mail to join the org, then he can add you to the team for the repo. | 18:49:24 |
| K900 | OK seriously though | 18:56:30 |
| K900 | How do we get upstream to care about us lol | 18:56:47 |
| K900 | The locale thing nearly drew me insane | 18:56:59 |
| K900 | On the other hand, I am kind of enjoying watching them keep removing the "clever hacks" | 19:01:48 |
| K900 | And get closer and closer to how a reasonable Linux system should reasonably work | 19:01:58 |
 Arson Copperflame | Maybe they'd care more if we were in the store. I doubt it though | 19:18:20 |
| Arson Copperflame | How long until they let you install snaps through the MS store? /s | 19:19:24 |
| Arson Copperflame | Or MS just buys Canonical one day lol | 19:20:37 |
| Sandro 🐧 | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
How do we get upstream to care about us lol we can't unless we throw money at MS.
But be careful to only use paper money because coins would hurt.
| 19:36:46 |
| Sandro 🐧 | In reply to @nzbr:nzbr.de
Or MS just buys Canonical one day lol no, just stop. | 19:37:17 |
| Sandro 🐧 | We should explain to them that it is so much easier for them to support Linux if they follow a plain standard startup procedure and all distros can use their standard stuff. | 19:38:07 |
| 26 Nov 2022 |
 @sielicki:matrix.org | K900: you're doing thankless work -- so let me be one of many, thank you thank you thank you for banging your head against the wall for the benefit o the rest of us. | 17:30:19 |
| K900 | I'm not actually that upset honestly | 17:30:47 |
| @sielicki:matrix.org | i wish I could contribute more, $dayjob just keeps me busy 60 hours a week. | 17:30:48 |
| K900 | It's mostly just that all of this would be a lot easier if upstream actually communicated to distros | 17:31:08 |
| @sielicki:matrix.org | I just think it's corporate lag -- they have hired important kernel developers and notably, poettering. | 17:31:52 |
| @sielicki:matrix.org | takes time for onboarding and planning and execution, but I think they are trying their best to make it painless | 17:32:12 |
| K900 | I'm not sure any of the Linux people they hired are actually working on WSL | 17:32:34 |
| @sielicki:matrix.org | when 95% of your users only know apt, it's hard to justify spending money on someone to communicate with a random snowflake distro | 17:32:35 |
| @sielicki:matrix.org | fair, it's probably azure | 17:32:43 |
| @sielicki:matrix.org | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
But that does not help us here because we need PAM on every process how does ubuntu accomplish this? | 17:35:24 |
| K900 | They don't | 17:35:36 |
| @sielicki:matrix.org | I see. :) | 17:35:52 |
| @sielicki:matrix.org | any low-hanging fruit I can contribute to today? have a few hours | 17:38:39 |
| K900 | Not sure it's a few hours thing but fixing the installer with native systemd could be nice | 17:39:12 |
| K900 | Also I think user sessions might be broken if wslg is disabled | 17:39:36 |
