Stockholm NixOS meetup group | 49 Members | |
| Monthly meetups in Stockholm, Sweden around Nix releated topics(nixos.org) | 14 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
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| 16 Sep 2025 | ||
| Sounds good to me! ๐ | 16:11:59 | |
| Redacted or Malformed Event | 17:26:06 | |
| We were alternating between Tuesday and Wednesday to make it the decision easier. | 18:15:49 | |
| 18 Sep 2025 | ||
| https://github.com/Lillecarl/dinix I wrote a little thing that generates dinit (the init system) configuration from Nix (using the module system). Dinit is VERY light, the overhead is ~4MB RAM and "no CPU". This enables writing OS and init independent "service collections". It can run as pid1 in Linux (but don't try this), pid1 in containers (reaps zombies and such) or random pid in user mode where it's just a process supervisor. Also works on MacOS (I don't have a Mac machine so I can't verify though). So you could create a service collection with nginx, postgres, whatever and run it from a single nix command. You could even run dinit from a systemd unit if you'd want. So you can run the same service collection from: Containers, Systemd, commandline and Nix brings the executables ๐ Here's an example nginx module that runs on 8080 and presents "Hello World" https://github.com/Lillecarl/dinix/blob/main/config.nix | 06:57:54 | |
| * https://github.com/Lillecarl/dinix I wrote a little thing that generates dinit (the init system) configuration from Nix (using the module system). Dinit is VERY light, the overhead is ~4MB RAM and "no CPU". This enables writing OS and init independent "service collections". It can run as pid1 in Linux (but don't try this), pid1 in containers (reaps zombies and such) or random pid in user mode where it's just a process supervisor. Also works on MacOS (I don't have a Mac machine so I can't verify though). So you could create a service collection with nginx, postgres, whatever and run it from a single nix command. You could even run dinit from a systemd unit if you'd want. So you can run the same service collection from: Containers, Systemd, commandline and Nix brings the executables ๐ Here's an example nginx module that runs on 8080 and presents "Hello World" https://github.com/Lillecarl/dinix/blob/main/config.nix Edit:
| 07:19:54 | |
| * https://github.com/Lillecarl/dinix I wrote a little thing that generates dinit (the init system) configuration from Nix (using the module system). Dinit is VERY light, the overhead is ~4MB RAM and "no CPU". This enables writing OS and init independent "service collections". It can run as pid1 in Linux (but don't try this), pid1 in containers (reaps zombies and such) or random pid in user mode where it's just a process supervisor. Also works on MacOS (I don't have a Mac machine so I can't verify though). So you could create a service collection with nginx, postgres, whatever and run it from a single nix command. You could even run dinit from a systemd unit if you'd want. So you can run the same service collection from: Containers, Systemd, commandline and Nix brings the executables ๐ Here's an example nginx module that runs on 8080 and presents "Hello World" https://github.com/Lillecarl/dinix/blob/main/config.nix Edit:
| 07:20:26 | |
| * https://github.com/Lillecarl/dinix I wrote a little thing that generates dinit (the init system) configuration from Nix (using the module system). Dinit is VERY light, the overhead is ~4MB RAM and "no CPU". This enables writing OS and init independent "service collections". It can run as pid1 in Linux (but don't try this), pid1 in containers (reaps zombies and such) or random pid in user mode where it's just a process supervisor. Also works on MacOS (I don't have a Mac machine so I can't verify though). So you could create a service collection with nginx, postgres, whatever and run it from a single nix command. You could even run dinit from a systemd unit if you'd want. So you can run the same service collection from: Containers, Systemd, commandline and Nix brings the executables ๐ Here's an example nginx module that runs on 8080 and presents "Hello World" https://github.com/Lillecarl/dinix/blob/main/config.nix Edit:
| 07:20:37 | |
| If the generation of config files would be reusable (I.e. separated in the module system), we could reuse them for dinix, or container image generation. | 09:37:16 | |
| Hi, all! I am currently trying to build a stateless cluster using Nixos. The main thing is that I want all things to be wiped on each boot. The idea is to have one management node serving an ipxe image over pxe, a kernel, and an initrd. The ipxe would pull the kernel and initrd, which would then torrent a root tarball, extract it, and kexec/switch_root into it. Does anyone have an idea where to even start with this? I did try nix-generators for the root kexec tarball, but that doesn't seem to work well when you already have a /nix in root already... Any suggestions would be most appreciated! :) | 10:45:05 | |
In reply to @markuskowa:matrix.orgYep, reusable across local dev and in containers, but also if someone makes a dinix module for the "LAMP" stack we could easily stick it into systemd on a VM of your choice | 13:23:30 | |
In reply to @kacper.uminski:matrix.orgSounds like you've made a few "too many" decisions already. I couldn't help you, I would probably try to make a nixos iPXE image and make the iPXE server a nix build cache instead, build new images when you need new systemd or kernel | 13:25:57 | |
| nixos-anywhere does the kexec thing already work to install nixos over "any" Linux distro, so you could investigate their thing. If you wanna use nix, use nix :p torrents don't belong in Nix (even though they map well to the store immutability) | 13:27:19 | |
| Maybe some simple stuff that could work is to setup syncthing on the nixos machine such that when itโs brought up it downloads P2P all the state of the machine | 13:29:39 | |
| https://github.com/markuskowa/nix-system/blob/master/modules%2Fkea.nix Kacper Uminski: you can generate pxe capable image directly with nixos (see my example above) | 13:30:05 | |
| (ask in #users:nixos.org too, we're a small community) | 13:31:26 | |
In reply to @markuskowa:matrix.orgI love you man! โค๏ธโค๏ธ๐ | 13:32:00 | |
In reply to @julienmalka:matrix.orgYes, let nix do the nixy bits, how you manage state is free-for-all ๐ | 13:33:14 | |
| Yes, I realize the idea is quite cursed. The main idea is to minimize stress on the control node, so a centralized cache or pxe server for the full filesystem is a no-no. All filesystems have to be reformatted on reboot, including /nix/store. We already have a setup like this working with Debian, but it's hacked together using shell-scripts, python, and preseed files. Hence I am investigating alternatives. :) | 13:35:28 | |
| Thanks! I will investigate this, at least for the minimal bootup. :) | 13:36:27 | |
| @kacper.uminski:matrix.org: do you work for a VPN company perhaps? ๐ | 13:37:46 | |
| No, I'm just a member of Lysator (lysator.liu.se), a computer association in Linkรถping, and we are currently building an HPC cluster. Just as a cool tidbit, Nationella Superdatorcentrum (NSC) does the torrent-boot thing. | 13:39:00 | |
In reply to @kacper.uminski:matrix.orgI do not have the overview over your setup/requirements, but i use this PXE setup as an installer. There are many options, such as overlayfs, that you use here to customize it. | 13:40:15 | |
| @kacper.uminski:matrix.org: Boot off iPXE, dd the image to disk, kexec, rebuild. You can have multiple cache servers and will easily be able to saturate your links with NGINX from *a few* cache servers. You can share the same signing key across them and use RR DNS for loadbalancing. The torrent thing sounds like a solution to "immutable Debian" rather than content delivery | 13:46:19 | |
| It'll be faster, no torrent startup time, only fetch what your node needs etc... :) | 13:50:16 | |
| Hmm, I will try this. Thank you! | 13:53:24 | |
| Just by the way, I am quite new to netbooting as a whole, so I do ask for leniency anytime I utter something unspeakably stupid. :) | 13:58:58 | |
| Kacper Uminski: I run a small hpc cluster (20 nodes) at Fysikum, SU fully on NixOS. If you're interested i can show, how it is setup. | 15:42:05 | |
| That would be very cool! Do you have a git repo for it or something? | 15:47:29 | |
| No, I did not publish the configuration for security reasons. | 15:49:23 | |
| Ah, yeah, that's reasonable. | 15:49:51 | |