| 20 Jul 2022 |
 yorik.sar | Well, we could build the builder on Linux or smth... | 16:12:28 |
 Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @yorik.sar:matrix.org
By the way, it's also an option - use Bash as runtime, but add a good language that can be translated to it. Then the translator is responsible for all type checking and guarnatees. i am not aware of such languages and i find difficult to imagine something that does the job well. but surprise me ;) | 16:12:34 |
| yorik.sar | (if we use system-agnostic drv for that) | 16:12:38 |
 infinisil | Probably best to pick a very portable language from the start | 16:12:40 |
| infinisil | Or wait for WASM | 16:12:50 |
| infinisil | /WASI | 16:12:54 |
 problems | my gf would like me to mention that if a language is picked for this that works with netbsd/vax, she's interested in trying to get it actually working on that platform | 16:12:58 |
| yorik.sar | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
my gf would like me to mention that if a language is picked for this that works with netbsd/vax, she's interested in trying to get it actually working on that platform Port wasmtime there and all languages will come ;) | 16:13:29 |
 kevincox | FWIW I don't think we need strong type checking for builder scripts. I just think we need more types than string and array of string. | 16:13:33 |
| infinisil | Good point, portability isn't something static, people might be motivated to add support if they can use it for nixpkgs | 16:13:38 |
| problems | In reply to@yorik.sar:matrix.org
Port wasmtime there and all languages will come ;) not possible due to floating point issues | 16:13:46 |
| yorik.sar | https://github.com/batsh-dev-team/Batsh | 16:14:14 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
Or wait for WASM lua/ruby can run on wasm as well as many others. Either way these derivations would not suddenly become system agnostic since we need something to covnvert xLang -> wasm | 16:14:15 |
| yorik.sar | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
not possible due to floating point issues You can emulate them if needed. It would be slower, but would still work. | 16:14:49 |
| kevincox | The performance of the builder script is unlikely to be a significant cost even with emulated floating point. | 16:15:31 |
| problems | In reply to@yorik.sar:matrix.org
You can emulate them if needed. It would be slower, but would still work. netbsd/vax doesn't have working support for ieee floating point emulation unfortunately. vax does have floating point it's just not what wasm requires | 16:16:06 |
| problems | you could theoretically get it to work but it'd be subtly horribly broken | 16:16:24 |
| yorik.sar | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
netbsd/vax doesn't have working support for ieee floating point emulation unfortunately. vax does have floating point it's just not what wasm requires I mean, you can always emulate it in wasmtime. | 16:16:48 |
| problems | anyway, just a consideration | 16:16:48 |
| problems | ruby and lua are good options and will work on that platform (and if you can run on netbsd/vax you can run on anything, pretty much) | 16:17:25 |
| yorik.sar | By the way, do nixpkgs support netbsd/vax in current state? | 16:17:38 |
| yorik.sar | We should define what we want to support, otherwise we'll have to rely on Bash or something as ubiquitous... | 16:18:13 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | something similar may work nicely https://github.com/elsaland/elsa but not well maintained (also gcc can compile go 👁️)
Advantages of typescript:
- Actualy very nice and solid type system
- One of the most popular languages
- Language is flexibible enough to create nice DSL's like https://github.com/google/zx
- Large focus on async
- Inline json
| 16:18:28 |
| yorik.sar |
NetBSD/vax is the port of NetBSD to DEC VAX computers. The first model was announced in 1977 and they were sold until September 30, 2000.
http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/vax/
Oh, it's one of those...
| 16:18:53 |
| yorik.sar | *
NetBSD/vax is the port of NetBSD to DEC VAX computers. The first model was announced in 1977 and they were sold until September 30, 2000.
http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/vax/
Oh, it's one of those...
| 16:19:09 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
ruby and lua are good options and will work on that platform (and if you can run on netbsd/vax you can run on anything, pretty much) i bet it cant run on redox 😔 | 16:19:15 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | ;D | 16:19:17 |
| problems | i don't think defining specific platform support should be in scope for this. we should aim to run on as many platforms as possible, so as to not preclude future platform support. | 16:20:04 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | infinisil: might be cool to consult with John Ericson, I am sure he has some unique insights | 16:21:33 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | Maybe you could get him to join next call? | 16:21:44 |
