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6 Sep 2023
Robert Hensing (roberth)	In reply to @piegames:matrix.org Also note that there will hopefully be multiple by-names in the future Or we can upgrade it to top level so that everything about a package can be kept together, which is a nice DX upgrade. ie not just a package but also any modules, documentation, tests, etc.	11:23:55
@piegames:matrix.org	In reply to @roberthensing:matrix.org Or we can upgrade it to top level so that everything about a package can be kept together, which is a nice DX upgrade. ie not just a package but also any modules, documentation, tests, etc. I was thinking more about package sets in their own name spaces	11:29:28
j-k	is there any CI that ensures packages are in the right folders? e.g. `he/bob/package.nix` also does the pname matter at all?	11:56:15
j-k	* is there any CI that ensures packages are in the right folders? e.g. `he/bob/package.nix` vs `bo/bob/package.nix` also does the pname matter at all?	11:56:29
@piegames:matrix.org	Yes and no	11:56:58
Robert Hensing (roberth)	In reply to @piegames:matrix.org I was thinking more about package sets in their own name spaces makes sense for say pythonPackages, though I'd omit the actual `by-name` from the path. Maybe add it to https://github.com/nixpkgs-architecture/issues/issues/21?	12:00:06
infinisil	In reply to @j-k:matrix.org is there any CI that ensures packages are in the right folders? e.g. `he/bob/package.nix` vs `bo/bob/package.nix` also does the pname matter at all? Just as piegames said :) See https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/tree/master/pkgs/by-name#readme for more information	12:02:10
Robert Hensing (roberth)	psa: infinisil has been plotting something	12:04:28
infinisil	Hehe, I think I know what you mean but I'm not 100% certain :P	12:06:00
Robert Hensing (roberth)	gotta create some hype for the presentation!	12:07:50
Robert Hensing (roberth)	everyone better watch it	12:08:09
davidak	is it intentional, that in this place it's called `somePackage` instead of `some-package`? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/237439/files#diff-a8563497765f3c15777f4e7ebdfa64a8d7ac5fa696f5e1b141bd38545d242a46R70	14:07:15
Robert Hensing (roberth)	the attribute name is derived from it, so it has to match that, not some other convention	14:35:49
Robert Hensing (roberth)	I feel like this didn't receive much attention in our communications, or did we	14:36:59
Robert Hensing (roberth)	perhaps also worth pointing out that we only require case preservation from the file system, not case sensitivity. We check for that in CI.	14:38:43
infinisil	Oh but there is a mistake in the docs there. It should be some-package in all cases, thanks for the mention davidak	16:59:39
infinisil	Will fix later	16:59:43
infinisil	https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/253668	17:30:36
Robert Hensing (roberth)	right, `somePackage` by itself is actually against guidelines lol	18:20:22
infinisil	It is?	18:21:36
infinisil	The pname and the version attribute must not contain uppercase letters — e.g., "mplayer" instead of "MPlayer"`. Huh TIL, from https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/tree/master/pkgs#package-naming	18:22:32
infinisil	We definitely have a lot of violations then	18:22:52
Robert Hensing (roberth)	Not all that many iirc, but some high profile like libSDL	18:23:35
Robert Hensing (roberth)	Doesn't apply to package sets or generated package set contents I think	18:24:05
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infinisil	Hmm, should filter by whether they're actually packages	18:25:12
Artturin	that list includes aliases btw	18:25:30
Artturin	* that list includes aliases btw (ex: xlibsWrapper	18:25:49
Artturin	* that list includes aliases btw (ex: xlibsWrapper)	18:25:50
infinisil	True, let's see..	18:26:14

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