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9 Jun 2023
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth)I don't think we need to use it much outside the RFC's context19:47:28
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil"packages by name" sounds pretty good19:47:32
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil Spelled out pkgs/by-name 19:47:38
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilHmm, not really a term to use when referring to it though19:47:54
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth)"package directory"?19:48:12
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil That's just pkgs, it's a directory! 19:48:28
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth)Hmm sounds like that, but not if clearly articulated or written19:48:53
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilAnyways, yeah it doesn't really matter how we refer to it, if at all19:49:01
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil I started writing the implementation of the first PR and made sure to not use unit directory in the CI error messages 19:49:28
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth)Yeah it's not a term people should have to learn19:50:05
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilIf anybody wants to check out the start of the WIP implementation: https://github.com/tweag/nixpkgs/tree/spp-1, I'll create a PR hopefully next week19:50:21
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth)Just like how "store dir" is irrelevant to most store users19:50:30
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil Minor advantage to by-*, it's ordered fairly early, compared to unit which is last :P 19:52:25
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil Considering that we have a potentially better alternative now and more people think unit isn't great, I think that's reason enough to cancel FCP for now, discuss this to completion, then do another FCP once settled. 19:54:56
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth) Oh looks like I wasn't the first to think of it https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/140#discussion_r1224642417 19:57:27
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilBy about 30 minutes haha19:58:36
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilSo easy to miss these threads..19:58:56
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilPlug for https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/13819:59:02
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth)
In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
Considering that we have a potentially better alternative now and more people think unit isn't great, I think that's reason enough to cancel FCP for now, discuss this to completion, then do another FCP once settled.
I feel like FCP should allow a rename to happen without a restart, but maybe I'm wrong
19:59:10
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth)repos are for suckers who aren't telepathic19:59:50
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth) clearly I pulled by-name from someone else's brain without reading anything 20:00:09
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilI wouldn't think so. The naming is an integral part of it, and this potentially better alternative was just talked about for like the past hour, not enough time for the community to take another look at the proposal until FCP ends (tomorrow..)20:00:24
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth)Oh right, didn't realise time is that fast. Yeah 1 day is definitely too short20:01:03
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilAlso, I don't really want to have to deal with changing this aspect of the RFC at this hour, and the potential fallout for not canceling FCP for such a change20:01:36
@roberthensing:matrix.orgRobert Hensing (roberth)Yeah, there's no hurry20:01:55
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisilI'll make a short comment linking to this Matrix thread and that FCP is canceled for now (which I should be allowed to do as the author :P)20:02:33
@k900:0upti.meK900I just want to shout out the fact that the FCP ended up working 20:05:10
@k900:0upti.meK900So we are doing something right 20:05:39
@piegames:matrix.org@piegames:matrix.org
In reply to @k900:0upti.me
I just want to shout out the fact that the FCP ended up working
Honestly, I'm not that happy with how it went. Will write something in the meta-RFC Discourse thread tomorrow or so
20:08:51
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil K900: I mean, it ended up with just bikeshedding over one of the simplest aspects of the RFC, while the meat of the RFC was left without any comments 😅 20:09:15

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