| 29 May 2023 |
 Robert Hensing (roberth) | Changing that would speed up the RFC process by perhaps two weeks on average, at the cost of the legitimacy of RFCs in general. | 16:05:52 |
 @piegames:matrix.org | Because one could also argue that this precisely the shepherds' job. | 16:06:26 |
| Robert Hensing (roberth) | piegames yeah, the shepherd could take such an "independent" role, but I don't know if that happens | 16:06:36 |
| Robert Hensing (roberth) | clearly in our case there's some doubt about that | 16:06:43 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | Not that I fundamentally disagree with you, it's just that I think that the process should be clear about it either way | 16:06:53 |
 infinisil | Yeah I think it's the intention for shepherds to be this. The steering committe should pick shepherds of as different views as possible. | 16:07:00 |
| Robert Hensing (roberth) | I suppose the same thing could be achieved by having the steering committee approve FCP async, as FCP by itself has very little lasting effect | 16:08:25 |
| Robert Hensing (roberth) | It's RFC acceptance that matters | 16:08:36 |
| infinisil | I think effectively FCP means acceptance nowadays, because there's no reason to FCP if it wouldn't be accepted. So FCP = 10 days to acceptance | 16:09:51 |
| infinisil | * I think effectively FCP means acceptance, because there's no reason to FCP if it wouldn't be accepted. So FCP = 10 days to acceptance | 16:10:10 |
| infinisil | Oh and there's generally no major new feedback during FCP which would cancel the FCP | 16:11:06 |
| infinisil | (or has this ever happened?) | 16:11:21 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | RFC 127 🙃 | 16:11:37 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | The one that was pretty much silent until FCP | 16:11:50 |
| infinisil | Oh yeah was just thinking of that 😅 | 16:11:55 |
| infinisil | To be fair, FCP wasn't announced on discourse for that one | 16:12:03 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | That's kind of on the steering committee | 16:12:44 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | I would like to see more FCPs with disposition close though | 16:12:57 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | Most of the time it either stalls, or the author gives up and closes | 16:13:45 |
| infinisil | I feel like there should be an #rfc-process:nixos.org channel, also to ask the steering committee for actions | 16:14:59 |
| infinisil | * I feel like there should be an #rfc-process:nixos.org channel to discuss this, also to ask the steering committee for actions | 16:15:19 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | But this would require shepherds being more neutral towards the RFC. If we have this selection bias towards people in favor of it, this will continue to be pretty rare. Compare this to for example Rust and Matrix RFCs, where different people are responsible for the acceptance | 16:15:43 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
I feel like there should be an #rfc-process:nixos.org channel to discuss this, also to ask the steering committee for actions That's a good one, I'll put it into my forum post | 16:15:56 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | https://discourse.nixos.org/t/improving-our-rfc-process/28552 | 16:29:42 |
| infinisil | piegames: Thanks a lot! I'm watching the thread :) | 16:33:07 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | Good :) Feel free to add your own experiences to this | 16:33:32 |
| @piegames:matrix.org | While writing it a lot of the raised questions have been kind of resolved, but at this point I don't want answers, I want them answered by the RFC process itself. | 16:35:21 |
 raitobezarius | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
How do you mean that? I believe the change will be inevitably controversial because we do not have the technical means to enforce this in the repository and I imagine that RFC can be just about "formalizing something".
Nevertheless, I think the core idea is very useful to bring forward certain subjects on security, committers, etc, though, so that's what I mean as interesting dynamics, whatever happens out of it, I can only think / hope it will be good.
| 17:27:01 |
| 30 May 2023 |
| infinisil | @room: The next meeting will take place in ~30 minutes, if you have anything extra you'd like to discuss, please add a section to the meeting notes - meeting link - live stream | 14:01:09 |
| infinisil | tomberek: John Ericson: Ping | 14:35:14 |
