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22 Mar 2023
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa RossOfBorg already checks outputs, not files.11:43:23
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa RossIt's annoying, because you have to manually ping people if your changes don't cause rebuilds.11:43:33
@whentze:matrix.orgWanja Hentzeright, but codeowners style things don't11:43:44
@whentze:matrix.orgWanja Hentzeso yeah probably something nixpkgs specific is needed11:43:59
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa Rossor gerrit :P11:44:06
@snowytrees:matrix.orgsnowytreesAh wasnt sure how ofborg works that makes sense.11:44:07
@piegames:matrix.org@piegames:matrix.org
In reply to @qyliss:fairydust.space
OfBorg already checks outputs, not files.
Oh, is this the reason why it won't ping people if a module with a maintainer is modified?
11:44:25
@whentze:matrix.orgWanja Hentzeah, gerrit, all the ergonomics of emailing patches with all the openness and flexibility of github11:44:52
@piegames:matrix.org@piegames:matrix.orgSame for tests IIRC, very annoying11:44:54
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa Rossnot sure11:44:59
@whentze:matrix.orgWanja Hentzeokay that was a bit too harsh on gerrit maybe, but I'm not fond of it11:48:47
@noob_tea:matrix.orgteaso what exactly needs to be written?12:21:17
@noob_tea:matrix.orgteagiven a commit, build the package in the title, check codeowners and then merge it via an action?12:22:10
@whentze:matrix.orgWanja Hentzeideally check for review by codeowner *and* CI12:23:09
@whentze:matrix.orgWanja Hentzebut I think regular CI can already block merging on github12:23:41
@davidak:matrix.orgdavidak
In reply to @qyliss:fairydust.space
davidak: then please don't do that again without asking the participants

in this specific case i considered it public data because it's publicly available on youtube. they also create a transcript for subtitles and google probably also trains deep learning models with the data and might even sell it (to OpenAI). ChatGPT is of course no solution when the goal is to keep it private. i see 2 options for offline models, but they might take longer to reach the quality

do you think i should have asked before sending the data to OpenAI in this specific case? i will not do that again

13:16:21
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa RossTo me, there's a distinction between something being publicly available (where it could be scraped or whatever), and it being actively sent somewhere. 13:17:49
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa Rossit's something that a lot of people seem to feel strongly about, so I think it's safer to ask13:19:49
@davidak:matrix.orgdavidaki see. thank you13:22:52
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@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius
In reply to @davidak:matrix.org

in this specific case i considered it public data because it's publicly available on youtube. they also create a transcript for subtitles and google probably also trains deep learning models with the data and might even sell it (to OpenAI). ChatGPT is of course no solution when the goal is to keep it private. i see 2 options for offline models, but they might take longer to reach the quality

do you think i should have asked before sending the data to OpenAI in this specific case? i will not do that again

alpaca.cpp / llama.cpp exist with an offline model, of course, it does not have GPT-4 performance
14:37:29
@davidak:matrix.orgdavidakyes, i will try them as well15:01:29
@sandro:supersandro.deSandro 🐧
In reply to @whentze:matrix.org
ah, gerrit, all the ergonomics of emailing patches with all the openness and flexibility of github
What ergonomics? Email based patch workflow has the worst UX. You need a compatible mail server, some cli mail program and configure that all correct.
23:58:40
@qyliss:fairydust.spaceAlyssa RossI think that's what they were saying23:59:14
@whentze:matrix.orgWanja HentzeI was doing a sarcasm23:59:18
23 Mar 2023
@sandro:supersandro.deSandro 🐧glad we are on the same page00:02:59
@ckie:ckie.devmei 🌒& changed their display name from ckie (they/them; heavily limited keyboard usage, dictation or voice only) to ckie (they/them; limited keyboard usage, voice preferred).02:05:31
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius Hello to the NAT team, we encountered a case where two package = lib.mkDefault some-pkg on type = types.package cannot be mergeEqualOption because it's not implemented, any idea of the rationale of why? 15:59:20
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius cc Robert Hensing (roberth) infinisil 15:59:23
@infinisil:matrix.orginfinisil raitobezarius: I don't think that's relevant for the NAT, let's go to #dev:nixos.org 16:01:28

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