| 20 Sep 2023 |
 Alyssa Ross | You can import <nixpkgs> { localSystem = "x86_64-linux"; crossSystem = "x86_64-freebsd"; } or something and get the same packages | 08:07:12 |
| Alyssa Ross | but if I understand correctly, what John means to do is to cross compile some packages, and use them to generate a bootstrap tarball for the native stdenv, not to substitute them directly. | 08:07:47 |
| Alyssa Ross | Also hi! Sorry, I haven't had much of a chance to look at your work so far. | 08:07:56 |
| Alyssa Ross | Re: FreeBSD version: the reason we have "13" in the triples is because we misunderstood how backwards compatible FreeBSD is. Probably it would be fine to just target a single version. | 08:08:57 |
 rhelmot | Can you elaborate on the misunderstanding? I certainly encountered binary incompatibilities (potentially solved by nix and strict library versioning?) while upgrading from 13 to 14. | 12:36:06 |
| rhelmot | Also hi :) | 12:36:10 |
| rhelmot | If that’s the vision, why can the bootstrap binaries not be generated by the (fully booted?) impure stdenv? This definitely sounds like a situation where I’m misunderstanding the benefits of purity, but to my knowledge it would be solved by a bunch of binary auditing. | 12:40:14 |
| rhelmot | * Can you elaborate on the misunderstanding? I certainly encountered binary incompatibilities (upgraded my kernel but not my userland on accident and very little would still run? I hope I’m misremembering that) while upgrading from 13 to 14. | 12:47:19 |
| rhelmot | there's a very easy way to test the binary compatibility thing. I can just copy some of the 13 binaries onto my 14 system (and vice versa with a VM) and see what happens | 13:28:05 |
| Alyssa Ross | I'll see if I can find the conversation | 13:28:47 |
 7c6f434c | I believe FreeBSD promises nothing on major-version kernel-libc mixing. Does anything survive anyway is an empirical question, of course | 15:05:53 |
| rhelmot | side note: if nix-build ./nixpkgs --argstr crossSystem x86_64-freebsd14 --show-trace -A bash and nix-build ./nixpkgs --show-trace -A pkgsCross.x86_64-freebsd14.bash are different did I do something wrong? | 15:08:37 |
| rhelmot | * ~~side note: if nix-build ./nixpkgs --argstr crossSystem x86_64-freebsd14 --show-trace -A bash and nix-build ./nixpkgs --show-trace -A pkgsCross.x86_64-freebsd14.bash are different did I do something wrong?~~ (edit: figured it out. gotta do --arg with all of the example system attributes, including useLLVM) | 18:48:02 |
| 21 Sep 2023 |
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| 22 Sep 2023 |
 ash (it/its) 🏳️⚧️ | @Alyssa Ross btw, i have a patch that fixes your pr #233470. could you take a look and maybe pull that into your pr? | 22:52:35 |
| 23 Sep 2023 |
| Alyssa Ross | ooh | 07:25:19 |
| Alyssa Ross | this looks like great work | 07:25:23 |
| Alyssa Ross | I will try to take a look but can't promise atm | 07:25:32 |
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| rhelmot | is 150MB too big for the freebsd bootstrap tools? I have a minimal working set rn but because it uses clang libllvm and libclang are eating a lot of that space... | 13:39:12 |
| rhelmot | * is 150MB compressed too big for the freebsd bootstrap tools? I have a minimal working set rn but because it uses clang libllvm and libclang are eating a lot of that space... | 13:39:21 |
 raitobezarius | Well it's not a minimal bootstrap but this is a reasonable bootstrap I'd say personally | 13:43:06 |
| rhelmot | error: builder for '/nix/store/bsfkbj4h494i1n8lzdfyhrp9xk6pnxir-gettext-0.21.1.drv' failed with exit code 1;
last 1 log lines:
> build input /nix/store/cbls2b0w8r4gxan0ifdk6pksramy0hfg-bootstrap-tools/nix/store/cbls2b0w8r4gxan0ifdk6pksramy0hfg-bootstrap-tools does not exist
For full logs, run 'nix log /nix/store/bsfkbj4h494i1n8lzdfyhrp9xk6pnxir-gettext-0.21.1.drv'.
does this indicate a bug in nix? I "fixed" it by adjusting some overrides but I don't know why this would ever be produced. the builder isn't even getting run.
| 17:15:29 |
| raitobezarius | It seems like you are building the wrong path | 17:53:32 |
| raitobezarius | You are asking ${P}/${P} | 17:53:42 |
| raitobezarius | Instead of ${P} | 17:53:45 |
| rhelmot | this is :b gettext in nix repl --expr 'import <nixpkgs> {}' | 17:54:26 |
