| 3 Sep 2024 |
 alpha.404 | * Oh, okay, then I think I'm going to take a quick look to SML first, thanks for the tip! | 12:29:06 |
 emily | In reply to @alpha.404:matrix.org
Oh, okay, then I think I'm going to take a quick look to SML first, thanks for the tip! I think trying to learn ML will probably make things more confusing rather than less :) | 13:40:50 |
| emily | (it's a beautiful language, but it's much more complex than Nix) | 13:40:55 |
| emily | if you think of Nix as JSON with functions, you won't be too far off | 13:41:20 |
| emily | the big mind-bending thing that we use a lot is that Nix uses lazy evaluation, but that's like Haskell rather than ML | 13:41:36 |
| emily | (and I wouldn't recommend trying to learn Haskell for this either) | 13:41:45 |
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| alpha.404 | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
I think trying to learn ML will probably make things more confusing rather than less :) so what would you recommend? | 13:13:22 |
| alpha.404 | it is indeed confusing for someone who is having its first approach to ML languages | 13:13:49 |
| alpha.404 | * it is indeed confusing for someone who is having its first approach to ML languages just to learn Nix | 13:14:02 |
| emily | well, ML brings in a pretty complex type system that has no relevance to Nix, and ML doesn't teach you about laziness at all which is most of the non-syntactic reasons why Nix is more confusing than Python or JavaScript or whatever | 15:41:13 |
| emily | not sure if there really is another language I'd say helps learn Nix, because Nix is so idiosyncratic. Haskell at least teaches the laziness, but I think learning Haskell to grok laziness is harder than just grokking laziness with Nix itself | 15:41:55 |
| emily | I'm not sure what tutorials are good for the Nix language itself because I'm enough of a PL nerd that I never really needed one. do the Nix Pills cover the language? | 15:42:13 |
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| 5 Sep 2024 |
 infinisil | emily: https://nix.dev/tutorials/nix-language | 04:07:05 |
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