!tPxtoBdChSsxHuBlNW:nixos.org

NixOS Marketing

224 Members
NixOS website + marketing team: https://nixos.org/community/teams/marketing.html54 Servers

Load older messages


SenderMessageTime
13 Aug 2021
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerEverything else is a composition of packages (or nix store objects, if you want to use the "nix" term)00:48:20
@evils:nixos.devevils
In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
Everything else is a composition of packages (or nix store objects, if you want to use the "nix" term)
i feel like nixers get that that's a fundamental difference that enables many killer features
but that statement doesn't "enlighten" anyone on its own (i suspect)
00:51:00
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekThat GNURadio project I had was a good venue for me to describe in my audience's vocabulary the wonderful outcomes of using Nix/NixOS/Hydra. Try to capture what would "wow" them, and emphasize that.00:51:26
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerYea, but it explains how you could build a single package, or a whole OS, or a installation cd, or a VM image00:52:00
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekHackerspace? You can set up a system in the hackerspace to do builds, deploy to hardware sitting in their lab, and they can watch the results via remote webcam..... "you can stay home and still have confidence it works on the hardware you can't bring home with you."00:53:44
@evils:nixos.devevils
In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
Yea, but it explains how you could build a single package, or a whole OS, or a installation cd, or a VM image
with the same tools, as custom as you want them
00:54:09
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekor "complicated toolchain for <insert-embedded-thing-here>? no prob, 'nix-shell' is all you need!"00:54:25
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberek * or "complicated cross-compiling toolchain for <insert-embedded-thing-here>? no prob, 'nix-shell' is all you need!"00:54:45
@evils:nixos.devevils
In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org
or "complicated cross-compiling toolchain for <insert-embedded-thing-here>? no prob, 'nix-shell' is all you need!"
i think the counter-argument i've heard for that is "just use docker"
and it's hard to argue against a tool that works and many people already know
00:56:25
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekor (a bit more salesman-like): "tired of being able to get something to work, but no one can reproduce your results? Or they can't reproduce your bug reports? Do I have a proposal for you!"00:56:37
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekwell, for hardware people are a bit easier because they usually don't want Docker between them and their hardware. "it's native!"00:57:26
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekYeah, "just use Docker" is really good on day 1, but horrible on day 101. But that is a more subtle point that I don't know how to make effectively.00:58:28
@evils:nixos.devevils
In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
Yea, but it explains how you could build a single package, or a whole OS, or a installation cd, or a VM image
besides just providing you with packages, it allows you to compose systems with those packages, as complex as a full desktop OS
01:01:25
@evils:nixos.devevils
In reply to @evils:nixos.dev
besides just providing you with packages, it allows you to compose systems with those packages, as complex as a full desktop OS
this kinda makes the division between nix and NixOS disappear entirely though
01:02:40
@tomberek:matrix.orgtombereki normally transition to NixOS with something like "and so you may be wondering if this whole scheme works? Does it scale? Is it manageable? Well, they built a Linux distribution around it. And operate entire fleets of machines with it."01:05:55
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekanother angle (but it may backfire with a niche community) would be to stress the value of Nixpkgs01:12:33
@evils:nixos.devevilsyea i was mostly inclined to have a nix/NixOS split as i think having the number of packages in nixpkgs available on any distro on its own is the biggest hook we have for casual linux users01:13:32
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerI mean, there's nothing in nix which was added to make NixOS work. The module system works in a similar way to overlays, and those are just functional programming concepts, not nix-specific concepts01:13:36
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerBut I would still say that NixOS modules, and declarative system configuration is still a novel idea. And it's one of the defining features of NixOS01:14:35
@evils:nixos.devevils
In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
I mean, there's nothing in nix which was added to make NixOS work. The module system works in a similar way to overlays, and those are just functional programming concepts, not nix-specific concepts
"nix is so general purpose, they happened to make an OS with it"
01:15:05
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringersure, but I'm not sure what you're "selling" with that01:15:46
@evils:nixos.devevils
In reply to @jonringer:matrix.org
sure, but I'm not sure what you're "selling" with that
mostly that it's not a niche tool
01:16:05
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekThe number of things that work with sane defaults via "services.COOL-THING.enable = true;" is wonderful.01:16:13
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringer s/general purpose/composable/g and I think that would stand better 01:16:34
@evils:nixos.devevilsyea but i couldn't define "composable" if asked and the nix tool itself isn't composable01:17:03
@evils:nixos.devevilsi feel like suggesting people try NixOS is like asking them to jump in the deep end with using nix as a package manager on whatever distro they're on, is the shallow end01:19:47
@evils:nixos.devevilsmaybe i'm just biased because that's how i got into NixOS01:20:45
@evils:nixos.devevilsbut i feel like i'd get more people to install nix than NixOS and once they're using nix, moving to NixOS feels almost inevitable01:21:34
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringerby composable, I mean nix packages with other nix packages01:22:59
@jonringer:matrix.orgjonringeryou could have a python2 application with a python3 environment, and it should work01:23:16

There are no newer messages yet.


Back to Room ListRoom Version: 6