| 23 Jul 2021 |
 matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Linux itself already has a tough time onboarding. | 03:44:31 |
 davidak | David Arnold: you can do that, but that's not what i'm talking about | 03:45:05 |
| davidak | IDE is for developers. people should be able to use computers without the need to become developers | 03:45:42 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | From a marketing perspective, I think we would be wasting time if we tried to get "regular users" first, instead of second, because I think the market share of people who would care is lower than the developers/sysadmins. | 03:46:14 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | * From a marketing perspective, I think we would be wasting time if we tried to get "regular users" first, instead of second, because I think the market share of people who would care about reproducibiity is lower than the developers/sysadmins. | 03:46:20 |
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | We have to define the user persona that any idea is targeted at, each is different. Let's take my wife. | 03:46:30 |
| davidak | think about the quote again. think what users want, not to sell your tech | 03:46:40 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | She uses pop os, because I could convince her to leave windows. | 03:46:46 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | But she really opposes nix, mainly because she sees me suffer a lot on stupid things | 03:47:06 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Users want the app to work. It will work whether or not it's on NixOS. It's not immediately obvious why NixOS is better, as much as we'd like it to be obvious. It only presents itself years later. | 03:47:14 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
NixOS + Linux = New computer, all my apps come with me This is immediatly obvious. | 03:47:37 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Yeah, but you can only do that if the user is onboarded. | 03:47:48 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Android had people before this became a feature. | 03:47:57 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | But w.r.t. my wife there is another selling point: I (!) can manage her system. 😎 | 03:48:06 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | (so she doesn't have to) | 03:48:13 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I think we can use that in marketing to great effect, either way. | 03:48:15 |
| davidak | i think in long term perspective for a future where 90% of all linux systems run nixos, because it's just superior | 03:48:31 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @blaggacao:matrix.org
(so she doesn't have to) This opens up for a follow your trusted sysadmin social model. | 03:48:43 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Like social trading | 03:48:48 |
| davidak | stable, reliable, with many options | 03:48:50 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Well, it's path of least resistance. NixOS will take over for one reason, maintainability. | 03:48:55 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Like social stock trading | 03:49:09 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | So as other distributions crumble under the weight of software packages they have to maintain, we may be left standing with some of the more complex interactions. | 03:49:21 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | We may be the only people able to offer complex configurations that don't murder the system environment. | 03:50:00 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | So let's postulate another user persona, the one that you had in mind davidak | 03:50:10 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Since software is definitely getting more complex over time, and it seems package management is getting worse. | 03:50:13 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Nix is a slightly better way to do systems at first, and a much better way later. But because the reward is not immediate, it is hard to sell. | 03:51:09 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
Nix is a slightly better way to do systems at first, and a much better way later. But because the reward is not immediate, it is hard to sell. My wife wouldn't even care. | 03:51:32 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * My wife wouldn't even care. But you are right. | 03:51:43 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Just using Linux at all gives you a whole host of benefits. To be told that NixOS is even better doesn't even make sense to most people. | 03:51:52 |
