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24 Jul 2021
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao) Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned
with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round
14:33:33
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)* Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round.14:33:48
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)* Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, such as well respected community dignitaries, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round.14:34:13
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)* Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, such as well respected community dignitaries, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. Of course a community based certification would not immediately satisfy the requirements of HR signaling, but it could get a chance evolving into that.14:35:31
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)* Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, such as well respected community dignitaries, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. Of course a community based certification would not immediately satisfy the requirements of HR signaling, but it could get a chance evolving into that. I think it would be interesting to design a prestigious enough title where responsibility comes attached as a side effect for very little perceived personal cost: so prestige would outweigh the cost of taking responsibility and stake 14:37:43
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)* Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, such as well respected community dignitaries, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. Of course a community based certification would not immediately satisfy the requirements of HR signaling, but it could get a chance evolving into that. I think it would be interesting to design a prestigious enough title where responsibility comes attached as a side effect for very little perceived personal cost: so prestige would outweigh the cost of taking responsibility and stake.14:37:57
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao) Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS evolves... 14:42:24
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)* Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS evolves...14:42:39
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)* Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS evolves...14:43:05
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)* Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS ecosystems evolve...14:43:23
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)* Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes **and traditions** "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS ecosystems evolve...14:43:50
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao) Btw. I find it intriguing that "processes" and "traditions" are part of the same spectrum of how people organize. 😂 14:45:40
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao) Maybe "processes" are just tools to chase traditions around. But when it comes to certification processes, could we start thinking our way up from our current traditions? 14:50:50
@kunrooted:matrix.orgkunrooted
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Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes and traditions "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS ecosystems evolve...
Traditional craftsman professions in here require some time of practice + school which gives you certifications after you graduate from that (Eastern Europe - most of the countries + Russia)
15:02:55
@kunrooted:matrix.orgkunrooted
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Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes and traditions "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS ecosystems evolve...
* Traditional craftsman professions in here require some time of practice + school which gives you certifications after you graduate from that (Eastern Europe - most of the countries + Russia)
after that - you can open your own 'company' of some kind providing the service
15:03:39
@kunrooted:matrix.orgkunrootedI dunno if it answers your question, I'm not English native, sorry if I misunderstood something.15:04:09
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)Do we have a certifiable name? "Nix Craftsman" (TM)? 😂15:07:47
@kunrooted:matrix.orgkunrooted

I had some "stupid" ideas:

  • CNE - Certified Nix Engineer
  • CNOSA - Certfied NixOS Administrator/ CNO - Certified NixOps
  • CFE - Certified Flakes Engineer
    😂
15:10:04
@kunrooted:matrix.orgkunrooted *

I had some "stupid" ideas:

  • CNE - Certified Nix Engineer
  • CNOSA - Certfied NixOS Administrator/ CNO - Certified NixOps
  • CFE - Certified Flakes Engineer

😂

15:10:13
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)Yeah, maybe we can't get our way around acronyms to be taken seriously by HR Signal Receivers.15:10:59
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)(HRSR) 😂15:11:12
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)CNCFJ - Certified Nix Crfatsman For Java15:13:35
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)CNCFOS - Certified Nix Craftsman for Operating Systems15:14:11
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)* CNCFOS - Certified Nix Craftsman For Operating Systems15:14:20
@kunrooted:matrix.orgkunrooted

I mean, given the fact that some cybersec certs are:

  • OSCP = Offensive Security Certified Professional
  • OSWP = Offensive Security Wireless Professional
  • OSEP = Offensive Security Certified Expert

and so on...
maybe our acronyms aren't that bad at all

15:14:30
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao)* CNCFJ - Certified Nix Craftsman For Java15:14:55
@kunrooted:matrix.orgkunrooted *

I mean, given the fact that some cybersec certs are:

  • OSCP = Offensive Security Certified Professional
  • OSWP = Offensive Security Wireless Professional
  • OSEP = Offensive Security Experienced Penetration tester

and so on...
maybe our acronyms aren't that bad at all

15:15:02
@kunrooted:matrix.orgkunrootedbut really, I wish to see the idea of Nix certs further considered 15:15:23
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao) CNC-* could be the brand component. 15:15:34
@blaggacao:matrix.orgDavid Arnold (blaggacao) cnc.nix.org 15:15:47

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