| 24 Jul 2021 |
 kunrooted | I also agree with what Gytis said earlier, we need to find a company which will be in charge of the certification process, and I also agree that the obv. candidate is Tweag | 15:16:04 |
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | But maybe such program is also European grant fundable? | 15:16:39 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * But maybe such program is also European grant fundable? (Hosted by a company for efficiency) | 15:17:01 |
| kunrooted | might be - European funds are really cool and they support such ideas a lot | 15:17:24 |
| kunrooted | the only thing I have left in my mind is - how do we make this option considered more seriously - by that I mean, how do we actually might make it happen and my best idea for now was literally emailing Tweag 🥴 | 15:18:32 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @kunrooted:matrix.org
the only thing I have left in my mind is - how do we make this option considered more seriously - by that I mean, how do we actually might make it happen and my best idea for now was literally emailing Tweag 🥴 Maybe such company needs to hire or identify a care-taker within their ranks. | 15:19:58 |
| kunrooted | I really dunno - the only contact I had with certification companies was when I was crying looking at cybersec certification course + exam fees and when I do gun license course | 15:20:57 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | B2B selling is hard. What's the buying center? | 15:21:03 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | I'd assume a positive opinion will come from HR within those organizations. But the influence of HR is also sometimes limited. | 15:21:50 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * B2B selling is hard. What's the _buying center_ (w.r.t. the idea)? | 15:23:18 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * B2B selling is hard. What's the _buying center_ (w.r.t. the idea of developing and hosting certifications)? | 15:23:40 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Maybe as a first step, we need to promote general acknowledgment of the need? | 15:24:28 |
| kunrooted | I agree | 15:24:39 |
| kunrooted | the question is - how? | 15:24:56 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Well, within the community, we have an issue with "hierarchy", "responsibility" and "decision making" (intransparent, non-existent, inefficient). | 15:25:46 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | So some sort of soft categorization of actors to give a little bit of clear structure to the playing field might yield the community itself some tangible benefits. | 15:26:48 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | While at the same time, I think we can clearly hear the pain of recruiters who say things like: "if you filter for nix expertise on linkedin, only 100 people around the world show up." | 15:27:56 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Companies who decide to work with nix are basically screwed. | 15:28:18 |
| kunrooted | when it comes to companies working with Nix - I did my part, some of my company's projects are made as flakes B)
I can help make Nix more recognized at least in my little community and customer base | 15:29:11 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | And then, certifications might tend to raise salaries, but not sure if that's an issue for nix developers. 😂 | 15:29:20 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Looks like a triple win for individuals, companies and the community, or do I see everything too much painted in rose? 😎😂 | 15:30:33 |
| kunrooted | nope, it is indeed a triple win | 15:30:50 |
| kunrooted | or maybe we both see everything too much painted in rose 🤣 | 15:31:09 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Maybe we can start with the individuals, since they are the constituting jody of both, companies and community. | 15:33:38 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | An argument could be: ceritification lowers the transactional counterparty risk associated with hiring and therefore increases your carrer chances. (Explained in more palatable english). | 15:34:30 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * An argument could be: ceritification lowers the transactional counterparty risk associated with hiring and therefore systemically increases your carrer chances. (Explained in more palatable english). | 15:34:46 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * An argument could be: certification lowers the transactional counterparty risk associated with hiring and therefore systemically increases your carrer chances. (Explained in more palatable english). | 15:34:52 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Although I don't see a problem, at all, for nixers getting hired. 😎😂 | 15:35:36 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | But maybe currently, the options are a bit limited? | 15:36:08 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * But maybe currently, the options (where to work) are a bit limited? | 15:36:25 |
