| 27 Mar 2023 |
 matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Just last night it actually convinced someone to join the Matrix, and they've been wanting to convert to Nix. | 14:21:52 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | And they asked to hire someone to mentor them. | 14:22:04 |
 raitobezarius | I think what I am trying to convey is that people feel hurt by this, usually, when people are told this, they acknowledge this can be offensive and apologise, if you don't think this is offensive, fine ; but I don't think it's a good strategy on the long term generally.
Sentences of the type "X is a joke, it's not intended to be offensive" are not good looking to me regarding these problems. | 14:22:08 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
Just last night it actually convinced someone to join the Matrix, and they've been wanting to convert to Nix. This is orthogonal to the subject here | 14:22:43 |
| raitobezarius | It's not because you (or we) convince people to try NixOS that it's sustainable to hurt other people's feelings in the process | 14:23:01 |
| raitobezarius | And this is going to be increasingly important as NixOS becomes more popular | 14:23:09 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I like it. I think it's good marketing. I'm sorry if you don't like it, or think otherwise. We can have a difference of opinion here. | 14:24:41 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I'm not going to discuss it any more in public in case it upsets. So feel free to PM me about it. | 14:25:17 |
| raitobezarius | Yes, we can agree to disagree, I just think that the meme-driven engagement by those types of joke are hurting people and it's not always fun for me to apologize in conferences to people who were hurt in the process. (I'm not even talking about the Foxboron case) | 14:25:39 |
 Bryan Honof | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
I like it. I think it's good marketing. I'm sorry if you don't like it, or think otherwise. We can have a difference of opinion here. I guess it depends on who you're talking too. Some people will tolerate it, others don't. I guess it's just a balancing act of noticing when to apply one or the other. | 14:25:48 |
| Bryan Honof | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
I like it. I think it's good marketing. I'm sorry if you don't like it, or think otherwise. We can have a difference of opinion here. * I guess it depends on who you're talking to. Some people will tolerate it, others don't. I guess it's just a balancing act of noticing when to apply one or the other. | 14:26:04 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
I'm not going to discuss it any more in public in case it upsets. So feel free to PM me about it. It does not upset me, I am just bringing this situation which I think, is a topic to discuss respectfully. | 14:26:54 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Sega does what Nintendon't | 14:27:11 |
| Bryan Honof | The point of view I'm talking from b.t.w. is the "official" NixOS channels. We really shouldn't be doing the meme-driven PR, but still try to be interactive with the community. So, whatever people do on their personal profiles, I honestly don't care. Since we can't control this anyhow. I like some good shit talking myself, especially in games or a playful environment. But that quickly changes when I'm put into a more professional environment. | 14:28:34 |
| Bryan Honof | I'll bring this up in the next marketing meeting if you want me to. | 14:29:02 |
| Bryan Honof | But I don't believe there's a right or wrong here on a personal level. | 14:29:16 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Well, for me, Nix and Linux is definitely still a thing that I love and enjoy. I'd hate for that to change. | 14:29:20 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | And limits on what I can and cannot say would hurt my enjoyment :D | 14:30:14 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Nix is not just a work thing, for me. | 14:31:33 |
| Bryan Honof | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
And limits on what I can and cannot say would hurt my enjoyment :D Oh, I definitely don't want to do that! Again, I'm looking at this from the marketing team's PoV. So, I'd rather avoid starting beef with communities trough the Nix communities voice so to say. | 14:32:42 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Its lobste.rs man, look at the arguments on Hacker News. | 14:34:26 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | lobste.rs is definitely a debate battleground. It's encouraged. I didn't see anything too nasty in the thread. | 14:35:01 |
| Bryan Honof | I'm just more interested in establishing relationships with other communities, and I doubt shit posting about their projects is the way. With friends however, I do shit talk about their distro's, and they also do about mine. But the social context there is different.
Your social platforms are also exactly that, yours. I wouldn't want anything else on there but your opinion and voice. | 14:35:06 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | You may disagree what is being said in threads, but debate on lobste.rs and hacker news are common. | 14:35:29 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I didn't see anything too personal. | 14:35:43 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I'm not even defending what's being said, I just don't see the point in trying to regulate speech on a platform like lobste.rs which is totally designed for discussion like this. | 14:36:16 |
| Bryan Honof | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
lobste.rs is definitely a debate battleground. It's encouraged. I didn't see anything too nasty in the thread. I'm no longer talking about lobste.rs. But more about the general way we as the community present ourselves to the outside world. So, really from the marketing teams PoV. I also took no offense in the lobste.rs thing. | 14:36:13 |
| Bryan Honof | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
I'm not even defending what's being said, I just don't see the point in trying to regulate speech on a platform like lobste.rs which is totally designed for discussion like this. We don't want to? Or am I misinterpreting something? | 14:37:04 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Maybe, I'm not sure any more. I don't think it's too productive to continue anyway, no harm has been done IMO. I'll leave it here. | 14:37:52 |
| Bryan Honof | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
Maybe, I'm not sure any more. I don't think it's too productive to continue anyway, no harm has been done IMO. I'll leave it here. Sure, just know that I'm not offended by anything. Would still love to drinks beers with you if you're ever visiting Belgium again. 😉 | 14:39:25 |
