 | NixOS Marketing | 259 Members |
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| NixOS Marketing | 259 Members |
| NixOS website + marketing team: https://nixos.org/community/teams/marketing.html | 57 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 21 Jul 2021 | ||
 samueldr | though with that said it's more tongue-in-cheek, I'm sure it's worthwhile to better understand all of this and how where Nix helps | 23:39:47 |
| 22 Jul 2021 | ||
 ryantm | NixOS slightly mentioned on Linus Tech Tips :) https://youtu.be/_Ua-d9OeUOg?t=121 | 20:43:19 |
 matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Yeah that's unexpected | 20:49:35 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I think it marks a significant milestone, that we've come far enough to be on that radar. | 20:49:55 |
| 23 Jul 2021 | ||
 jonringer | "hardmode", compared to the other distros, I would agree. Lol | 01:22:14 |
 davidak | maybe we could get to intermetiate with an easy gui installer for desktop users. not sure if it ever could be beginner-friendly with all the options. maybe we would need a gui configuration editor that hides everything a desktop user does not need (with option to show everything). or a distro based on NixOS, like Manjaro | 01:25:19 |
| jonringer | I think the problem is that nixos is a "choose your own adventure" distro. Other distros have a much easier time as the provide one well polished experience. | 01:41:56 |
 David Arnold | In reply to @davidak:matrix.orgIsn't one of the core principles of nixos to be declarative / managed through gitops? I feel a GUI installer would dilute that principle a bit. I guess in that direction, we could try to standardize or gather consensus on repo templates that provide a structure to get quick started. Efforts such as like flake-utils-plus, divnix/digga or divnix/devos (in the flake realm). | 01:48:37 |
| David Arnold | * Isn't one of the core principles of nixos to be declarative / managed through gitops? I feel a GUI installer would dilute that principle a bit. I guess in the gitops direction, we could try to standardize or gather consensus on repo templates that provide a structure to get quick started. Efforts such as like `flake-utils-plus`, `divnix/digga` or `divnix/devos` (in the flake realm). | 01:49:04 |
| David Arnold | * Isn't one of the core principles of nixos to be declarative / managed through gitops? I feel a GUI installer would dilute that principle a bit. I guess in the gitops direction, we could try to standardize or gather consensus on repo templates that provide a structure to get quick started. Efforts such as `flake-utils-plus`, `divnix/digga` or `divnix/devos` (in the flake realm). | 01:49:20 |
| David Arnold | * Isn't one of the core principles of nixos to be declarative / managed through gitops? I feel a GUI installer would dilute that principle a bit. I guess in the gitops direction, we could try to standardize or gather consensus on repo templates that provide a structure to get quick started. Efforts such as `flake-utils-plus`, `divnix/digga` or `divnix/devos` (in the flake realm, that I know of). | 01:49:56 |
 tomberek | Flakes themselves are a structure for Nix overall. I see these other projects as exploring the design space that may at one point be adopted for NixOS configurations. (Eg: niv for pinning) | 01:51:40 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | In reply to @jonringer:matrix.orgNot over time though. NixOS is like a permanent LTS. | 01:52:34 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | The logo for Nix is so brilliant in this regard. If you do history | wc -l on any other distro, you can find out how many 'commits away from master' you are. There is no hope of ever returning to a baseline. | 01:53:09 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | With Nix, every upgrade has given me warnings that I can fix easily, and things are deprecated lovingly. | 01:53:32 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | It's a choose your own adventure, but you can always get back to the start, and the branches are never severed. | 01:54:49 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | The logo is brilliant in this regard. | 01:54:54 |
| davidak | "You’ve got to start with the customer experience and work backward to the technology. You can’t start with the technology then try to figure out where to sell it."
https://www.horsesforsources.com/steve-jobs1997_080820 (with video) i got the quote from this video at 12:33 (can't link because chromium is broken on nixos unstable and can't display text) | 03:23:24 |
| davidak | i think that's what we try to do with nix and nixos, especially the people in this room. try to sell a product that no one asked for and most even say they don't need it (see hackernews comments on nixos) | 03:24:59 |
| davidak | on the other hand look what elementary OS, Pop_OS! and SteamOS does | 03:25:40 |
| David Arnold | I think a declarative system is like painting a picture. It's such a great thing for people who like to keep their environment tidy. Maybe we could start from there? | 03:26:42 |
| David Arnold | * I think a declarative model is like painting a picture. It's such a great thing for people who like to keep their environment tidy. Maybe we could start from there? | 03:26:57 |
| David Arnold | * I think a declarative model is like painting a picture. It's such a great thing for people who like to keep their environment tidy. Maybe we could start from there? | 03:27:32 |
| David Arnold | "NixOS - (almost) draw your system" | 03:28:36 |
| David Arnold | This makes me think of those draw by numbers leaflets for children. As an analogy, maybe we can have something that helps/guids people "draw" their NixOs system... | 03:29:44 |
| David Arnold | * This makes me think of those draw by numbers leaflets for children. As an analogy, maybe we can have something that helps/guides people "draw" their NixOs system... | 03:29:54 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | more like carving a statue :P | 03:30:10 |
| David Arnold | * This makes me think of those draw by numbers leaflets for children. As an analogy, maybe we can have something that helps/guides people "draw" their NixOS system... | 03:30:10 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | made of stone, not of ice | 03:30:22 |
| David Arnold | I think it appeals to "designers" and "composers", since "crafting" a system is oftentimes a piece of art. | 03:31:29 |