| 24 Jul 2021 |
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | Btw. I find it intriguing that "processes" and "traditions" are part of the same spectrum of how people organize. 😂 | 14:45:40 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Maybe "processes" are just tools to chase traditions around. But when it comes to certification processes, could we start thinking our way up from our current traditions? | 14:50:50 |
 kunrooted | In reply to @blaggacao:matrix.org
Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes and traditions "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS ecosystems evolve... Traditional craftsman professions in here require some time of practice + school which gives you certifications after you graduate from that (Eastern Europe - most of the countries + Russia) | 15:02:55 |
| kunrooted | In reply to @blaggacao:matrix.org
Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes and traditions "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS ecosystems evolve... * Traditional craftsman professions in here require some time of practice + school which gives you certifications after you graduate from that (Eastern Europe - most of the countries + Russia)
after that - you can open your own 'company' of some kind providing the service | 15:03:39 |
| kunrooted | I dunno if it answers your question, I'm not English native, sorry if I misunderstood something. | 15:04:09 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Do we have a certifiable name? "Nix Craftsman" (TM)? 😂 | 15:07:47 |
| kunrooted | I had some "stupid" ideas:
- CNE - Certified Nix Engineer
- CNOSA - Certfied NixOS Administrator/ CNO - Certified NixOps
- CFE - Certified Flakes Engineer
😂
| 15:10:04 |
| kunrooted | * I had some "stupid" ideas:
- CNE - Certified Nix Engineer
- CNOSA - Certfied NixOS Administrator/ CNO - Certified NixOps
- CFE - Certified Flakes Engineer
😂
| 15:10:13 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Yeah, maybe we can't get our way around acronyms to be taken seriously by HR Signal Receivers. | 15:10:59 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | (HRSR) 😂 | 15:11:12 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | CNCFJ - Certified Nix Crfatsman For Java | 15:13:35 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | CNCFOS - Certified Nix Craftsman for Operating Systems | 15:14:11 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * CNCFOS - Certified Nix Craftsman For Operating Systems | 15:14:20 |
| kunrooted | I mean, given the fact that some cybersec certs are:
- OSCP = Offensive Security Certified Professional
- OSWP = Offensive Security Wireless Professional
- OSEP = Offensive Security Certified Expert
and so on...
maybe our acronyms aren't that bad at all
| 15:14:30 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * CNCFJ - Certified Nix Craftsman For Java | 15:14:55 |
| kunrooted | * I mean, given the fact that some cybersec certs are:
- OSCP = Offensive Security Certified Professional
- OSWP = Offensive Security Wireless Professional
- OSEP = Offensive Security Experienced Penetration tester
and so on...
maybe our acronyms aren't that bad at all
| 15:15:02 |
| kunrooted | but really, I wish to see the idea of Nix certs further considered | 15:15:23 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | CNC-* could be the brand component. | 15:15:34 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | cnc.nix.org | 15:15:47 |
| kunrooted | I also agree with what Gytis said earlier, we need to find a company which will be in charge of the certification process, and I also agree that the obv. candidate is Tweag | 15:16:04 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | But maybe such program is also European grant fundable? | 15:16:39 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * But maybe such program is also European grant fundable? (Hosted by a company for efficiency) | 15:17:01 |
| kunrooted | might be - European funds are really cool and they support such ideas a lot | 15:17:24 |
| kunrooted | the only thing I have left in my mind is - how do we make this option considered more seriously - by that I mean, how do we actually might make it happen and my best idea for now was literally emailing Tweag 🥴 | 15:18:32 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @kunrooted:matrix.org
the only thing I have left in my mind is - how do we make this option considered more seriously - by that I mean, how do we actually might make it happen and my best idea for now was literally emailing Tweag 🥴 Maybe such company needs to hire or identify a care-taker within their ranks. | 15:19:58 |
| kunrooted | I really dunno - the only contact I had with certification companies was when I was crying looking at cybersec certification course + exam fees and when I do gun license course | 15:20:57 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | B2B selling is hard. What's the buying center? | 15:21:03 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | I'd assume a positive opinion will come from HR within those organizations. But the influence of HR is also sometimes limited. | 15:21:50 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * B2B selling is hard. What's the _buying center_ (w.r.t. the idea)? | 15:23:18 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * B2B selling is hard. What's the _buying center_ (w.r.t. the idea of developing and hosting certifications)? | 15:23:40 |
