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| NixOS Marketing | 263 Members |
| NixOS website + marketing team: https://nixos.org/community/teams/marketing.html | 56 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
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| 23 Jul 2021 | ||
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Ps: what I like about the pastel paper color light gray interactive option tree: by making the allusion of writing on a sheet of paper, it maintains a strong "spiritual" connection with the declarative model of NixOS. | 04:47:11 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Ps: what I like about the pastel paper color light gray interactive option tree "gui": by making the allusion of writing on a sheet of paper, it maintains a strong "spiritual" connection with the declarative model of NixOS. | 04:47:32 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Ps: what I like about the pastel paper color light gray interactive (sensivle subset of) option tree "gui": by making the allusion of writing on a sheet of paper, it maintains a strong "spiritual" connection with the declarative model of NixOS. | 04:48:01 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Ps: what I like about the pastel paper color light gray interactive (sensible subset of) option tree "gui": by making the allusion of writing on a sheet of paper, it maintains a strong "spiritual" connection with the declarative model of NixOS. | 04:48:21 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | ... and paper has an important feature: it's only 21 cm broad. | 04:50:11 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * ... and paper has an important feature: it's only 21 cm broad. (Limiting complexity) | 04:50:23 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * ... and paper has an important feature: it's only 21 cm broad. (limiting complexity) | 04:50:32 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * ... and paper has an important feature: it's only 21 cm broad. (And thereby self-limiting complexity) | 04:50:47 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * ... and paper has an important feature: it's only 21 cm broad. (And thereby self-limiting nesting & complexity) | 04:51:29 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * ... and paper has an important feature: it's only 21 cm broad. (And thereby somewhat self-limiting nesting & complexity) | 04:51:45 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * ... and paper has an important feature: it's only 21 cm broad. (And thereby somewhat self-limiting possible nesting & complexity) | 04:53:27 |
 kunrooted | Hi, I've seen that someone on Discord came up with the idea, but I'm curious whether we can make it official. Wdyt about Nix certifications? Nix already is a next-gen devops cool and getting certifications in it would be really outstanding on the resume. (Came here, to the Marketing channel, because a friend of mine told me this can be the best place to discuss it, sorry if he was wrong) | 11:13:38 |
| kunrooted | I can even risk saying, that this can make not only resume outstanding in some ways, but also Nix will look way better if we, as some other tools/languages, adopt certifications of some kind also the Nix itself, at least in my opinion, will be treated probably with more professional approach, don't get me wrong, but I still hear people talking like "Nix is still some kind of experiment, don't use it", I think that making certifications from Nix can change the view on that as ridiculous as it may sound, I know quite a few people of those kind, sadly but I really hope that we, at least one day, sooner or later, can consider such a thing, at least one or two certs | 11:22:47 |
 Gytis Ivaskevicius | Well Nix is not exactly what one would call a mature platform, but I'd be in favor of some sort of certification, I think it is a good way to go around it. I guess the main issue is getting some company to take ownership of the whole certification process. Tweag is an obvious candidate | 11:27:20 |
 tomberek | I’m not convinced that certification is the easiest way to solve the adoption problem. In fact, certification seems to be better when there is so much adoption that distinguishing between levels of expertise provides value to a company/resume/signaling. Ie, is there a problem out there of hiring managers being unable to determine if a candidate has enough Nix experience for a position? When I do hiring, I’ve learned to distrust certifications and see them as having very low signal value. Though I understand that it provides an easy hiring filter. Then again, if the benefits of owning the certification process is deemed valuable enough, it would also bring more resources in to solve the adoption problem itself. | 17:54:47 |
| 24 Jul 2021 | ||
| kunrooted | Over here, I see more and more people looking forward to either get at least one certification or recruiters that want to see at least one certification. I've even seen people who didn't get hired, no matter what Uni education they had, just because they didn't have OSCP or any other entry-level cybersec certification. But maybe that's just our local thing (Eastern Europe/Russia). Or maybe that's just what I've seen, doesn't mean it's the majority of our Job market. Anyway, I hope that this topic can be further discussed. I just believe that this would be the great opportunity, not only for Nix users wanting to get certified and rising their qualifications, but also for the Nix itself. Keeping my fingers crossed for this, I really hope to see such things one day. | 14:15:27 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round | 14:33:33 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. | 14:33:48 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, such as well respected community dignitaries, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. | 14:34:13 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, such as well respected community dignitaries, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. Of course a community based certification would not immediately satisfy the requirements of HR signaling, but it could get a chance evolving into that. | 14:35:31 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, such as well respected community dignitaries, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. Of course a community based certification would not immediately satisfy the requirements of HR signaling, but it could get a chance evolving into that. I think it would be interesting to design a prestigious enough title where responsibility comes attached as a side effect for very little perceived personal cost: so prestige would outweigh the cost of taking responsibility and stake | 14:37:43 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, such as well respected community dignitaries, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. Of course a community based certification would not immediately satisfy the requirements of HR signaling, but it could get a chance evolving into that. I think it would be interesting to design a prestigious enough title where responsibility comes attached as a side effect for very little perceived personal cost: so prestige would outweigh the cost of taking responsibility and stake. | 14:37:57 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS evolves... | 14:42:24 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS evolves... | 14:42:39 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS evolves... | 14:43:05 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS ecosystems evolve... | 14:43:23 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes **and traditions** "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS ecosystems evolve... | 14:43:50 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Btw. I find it intriguing that "processes" and "traditions" are part of the same spectrum of how people organize. 😂 | 14:45:40 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Maybe "processes" are just tools to chase traditions around. But when it comes to certification processes, could we start thinking our way up from our current traditions? | 14:50:50 |
| kunrooted | In reply to @blaggacao:matrix.orgTraditional craftsman professions in here require some time of practice + school which gives you certifications after you graduate from that (Eastern Europe - most of the countries + Russia) | 15:02:55 |