| 4 Sep 2023 |
 raboof | In reply to @gdesforges:matrix.org
What the reactions do tell, I think, is that what a bunch of people (@garbas IIRC) have said is right; we need a policy for public announcements, and a part of it could entail communication about companies. tbh I don't think there was much wrong with the announcement - I'd say it's the choice to associate with this sponsor that's controversial (but beyond the scope of this channel), not so much the way we communicate about it. Not to say a policy wouldn't be helpful, but not sure it'd help here. | 20:43:46 |
 @kranzes:matrix.org | Before we even got all the sponsors I mentioned that I would like to not get Andruil and other military-field companies involved, I don't want their money if it was made by profiting of the suffering of innocent people. I am frustrated that we didn't do anything about it in time, and even more because we prompted them on our social media. | 20:44:39 |
| @kranzes:matrix.org | In reply to @gdesforges:matrix.org
Taking the risk to be roasted: per-se I'm not against military sponsorship. However (I'm not saying it's the case or not here, I have not researched), I would not like the NixOS Foundation to support publicly any company that was guilty of going against human rights. Again, I don't know for Anduril, haven't checked. *
- Nix community should be a place without conflicts and divisions, a place where people from all over the world can come and put war to the side, Andruil is actively supporting war and is profiting off of the suffering of innocent people. Military is inherently divisive, is this something we want in our community?
- Andruil works with the US military, the US military has committed acts against humanity.
| 20:47:06 |
 @gdesforges:matrix.org | I guess you have a point, given that public announcement is part of the sponsorship. But then, if there was a policy for the Marketing team about announcement which was public, NixCon organizers would be able to adapt the sponsorship packages to these policies. | 20:48:19 |
| @gdesforges:matrix.org | (we both agree that the NixOS Foundation needs policies for its public communication :) ) | 20:48:57 |
| @gdesforges:matrix.org | * I guess you have a point, given that public announcement is part of the sponsorship. But then, if there was a policy for the Marketing team about official announcements which was public, NixCon organizers would be able to adapt the sponsorship packages to these policies. | 20:49:37 |
| @kranzes:matrix.org | * Before we even got all the sponsors finalized (as in, changes could still be made even if the sponsor was accepted, due to the sponsorship acceptation still being open) I mentioned that I would like to not get Andruil and other military-field companies involved, I don't want their money if it was made by profiting of the suffering of innocent people. I am frustrated that we didn't do anything about it in time, and even more because we prompted them on our social media. | 21:02:38 |
| 5 Sep 2023 |
 Jonas Chevalier | ok we decided to drop Anduril as a sponsor | 11:14:31 |
| Jonas Chevalier | * ok we (the NixCon team) decided to drop Anduril as a sponsor | 11:14:46 |
| Jonas Chevalier | garbas: is it possible to edit https://chaos.social/@nixos_org/111007010535962541 to say that we dropped as a sponsor? | 12:01:42 |
| Jonas Chevalier | yeah, I don't have an opinion on this. Should I delete the nixcon_org account then? | 12:02:30 |
| @kranzes:matrix.org | Linked in too | 12:05:18 |
| @kranzes:matrix.org | twitter too | 12:05:20 |
| @kranzes:matrix.org | and any other platform it was posted on | 12:05:24 |
 raitobezarius | Ideally edit so that the historical message is kept | 12:07:45 |
| raitobezarius | For our own transparency and accountability | 12:07:52 |
| raitobezarius | No need to try to hide our mistakes | 12:07:58 |
| raitobezarius | The original message will live forever on any archiving platform | 12:08:26 |
| Jonas Chevalier | AFAIK Twitter is write only | 12:08:43 |
| raitobezarius | Better make it so that people don't need to link the archived message | 12:08:44 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @zimbatm:numtide.com
AFAIK Twitter is write only Not if you have blue check | 12:08:53 |
| Jonas Chevalier | don't start another controversy :p | 12:09:08 |
| * raitobezarius refrained from a cynical joke with Musk | 12:09:15 |
| raboof | Yes, I can amend | 12:20:53 |
| raboof | something like: "EDIT: following internal discussion and community feedback we decided to drop this sponsor. Thank you for sharing your perspectives!" ? | 12:28:51 |
| raitobezarius | The ! is too much IMHO | 12:30:27 |
| raitobezarius | Maybe even the thank you | 12:30:39 |
| raitobezarius | This is too much PR parlance | 12:30:47 |
| raitobezarius | At least I don't want folks to turn their hate on the marketing team being "unable to see the proper perspective" | 12:31:25 |
| raboof | Just "EDIT: following internal discussion and community feedback we decided to drop this sponsor." then? Maybe add something like "We'll be sure to review our CoC and sponsorship rules to avoid similar scenario's earlier in the future"? | 12:31:29 |
