| 4 Sep 2023 |
 raitobezarius | (let's not do any rash decision either case, it's a classical PR incident) | 15:07:19 |
 @kranzes:matrix.org | I was very much against it too. | 15:23:46 |
| @kranzes:matrix.org | Either not post about andruil or not let andruil sponsor. | 15:24:10 |
| @kranzes:matrix.org | This was talked about in the nixcon planning channel before | 15:24:31 |
|  Julien joined the room. | 17:12:21 |
|  andi- joined the room. | 17:27:29 |
 Jonas Chevalier | garbas: are you centralizing everything under @nixos_org and we should deprecate @nixcon_org? | 17:36:19 |
 garbas | We are hitting the limit with buffer. and adding more accounts would mean more $$$. Right now we don't spend anything (we're on a free account - if i remember correctly).
I'd love to include more accounts if we get +1 and credit card info from the foundation. | 17:38:58 |
| garbas | Does the above make sense? | 17:39:08 |
 Pol | I'm also against the message posted on Mastodon. I don't like the idea that Nix is associated to military stuff, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth... I would not have posted such a message. | 20:08:25 |
 Guillaume Desforges | Taking the risk to be roasted: per-se I'm not against military sponsorship. However (I'm not saying it's the case or not here, I have not researched), I would not like the NixOS Foundation to support publicly any company that was guilty of going against human rights. Again, I don't know for Anduril, haven't checked. | 20:14:08 |
| Pol | * I'm also against the message posted on Mastodon. I don't like the idea that Nix is associated to military stuff, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth... I would not have posted such a message. I understand that we cannot control who's using it, but promoting such sponsor... Brrrr | 20:14:15 |
| Pol | Maybe I'm making bad shortcuts and correct me if I'm wrong but most of the things related to the word "military" means death. That's the reason why I was so pissed off seeing than toot today. | 20:16:01 |
| Pol | * Maybe I'm making bad shortcuts and correct me if I'm wrong but most of the things related to the word "military" means death. That's the reason why I was so pissed off seeing that toot today. | 20:16:33 |
| Guillaume Desforges | What the reactions do tell, I think, is that what a bunch of people (@garbas IIRC) have said is right; we need a policy for public announcements, and a part of it could entail communication about companies. | 20:16:43 |
 f0x | fucking hell https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anduril_Industries#Criticism_and_controversies | 20:17:36 |
| f0x | glad im not visiting nixcon, this is a terrible look | 20:17:52 |
| Pol | That's a sensible matter... and it's the first time I see an opensource project promoting such kind of sponsor. But hey... this is just my 2 cents and my "hot" reaction to this. | 20:19:14 |
| Pol | * That's a sensible matter... and it's the first time I see an opensource project promoting such kind of sponsor. But hey... this is just my 2 cents and my "hot" reaction to this, don't take it for granted. | 20:20:22 |
| Pol | * That's a sensible matter... and it's the first time I see an opensource project promoting such kind of sponsor. But hey... this is just my 2 cents and my "hot" reaction to this, don't take it for granted, just sharing what I feel. | 20:24:04 |
| @kranzes:matrix.org | In reply to @gdesforges:matrix.org
Taking the risk to be roasted: per-se I'm not against military sponsorship. However (I'm not saying it's the case or not here, I have not researched), I would not like the NixOS Foundation to support publicly any company that was guilty of going against human rights. Again, I don't know for Anduril, haven't checked.
- Nix community should be a place without conflicts and divisions, a place where people from all over the world can come and put war to the side, Andruil is actively supporting war and is profiting off of the suffering of innocent people. Military is inherently devising, is this something we want in our community?
- Andruil works with the US military, the US military has committed acts against humanity.
| 20:42:45 |
 raboof | In reply to @gdesforges:matrix.org
What the reactions do tell, I think, is that what a bunch of people (@garbas IIRC) have said is right; we need a policy for public announcements, and a part of it could entail communication about companies. tbh I don't think there was much wrong with the announcement - I'd say it's the choice to associate with this sponsor that's controversial (but beyond the scope of this channel), not so much the way we communicate about it. Not to say a policy wouldn't be helpful, but not sure it'd help here. | 20:43:46 |
| @kranzes:matrix.org | Before we even got all the sponsors I mentioned that I would like to not get Andruil and other military-field companies involved, I don't want their money if it was made by profiting of the suffering of innocent people. I am frustrated that we didn't do anything about it in time, and even more because we prompted them on our social media. | 20:44:39 |
| @kranzes:matrix.org | In reply to @gdesforges:matrix.org
Taking the risk to be roasted: per-se I'm not against military sponsorship. However (I'm not saying it's the case or not here, I have not researched), I would not like the NixOS Foundation to support publicly any company that was guilty of going against human rights. Again, I don't know for Anduril, haven't checked. *
- Nix community should be a place without conflicts and divisions, a place where people from all over the world can come and put war to the side, Andruil is actively supporting war and is profiting off of the suffering of innocent people. Military is inherently divisive, is this something we want in our community?
- Andruil works with the US military, the US military has committed acts against humanity.
| 20:47:06 |
| Guillaume Desforges | I guess you have a point, given that public announcement is part of the sponsorship. But then, if there was a policy for the Marketing team about announcement which was public, NixCon organizers would be able to adapt the sponsorship packages to these policies. | 20:48:19 |
| Guillaume Desforges | (we both agree that the NixOS Foundation needs policies for its public communication :) ) | 20:48:57 |
| Guillaume Desforges | * I guess you have a point, given that public announcement is part of the sponsorship. But then, if there was a policy for the Marketing team about official announcements which was public, NixCon organizers would be able to adapt the sponsorship packages to these policies. | 20:49:37 |
| @kranzes:matrix.org | * Before we even got all the sponsors finalized (as in, changes could still be made even if the sponsor was accepted, due to the sponsorship acceptation still being open) I mentioned that I would like to not get Andruil and other military-field companies involved, I don't want their money if it was made by profiting of the suffering of innocent people. I am frustrated that we didn't do anything about it in time, and even more because we prompted them on our social media. | 21:02:38 |
| 5 Sep 2023 |
| Jonas Chevalier | ok we decided to drop Anduril as a sponsor | 11:14:31 |
| Jonas Chevalier | * ok we (the NixCon team) decided to drop Anduril as a sponsor | 11:14:46 |
