| 26 May 2024 |
 @janik0:matrix.org | Like I'm personally at a point where I'm considering leaving NixOS and the (mostly) amazing community around it behind because I don't feel welcome anymore. Having to discuss something as trivial as this in such length just is saddening. | 15:48:17 |
| @janik0:matrix.org | * Like I'm personally at a point where I'm considering leaving NixOS and the (mostly) amazing community around it behind because I don't feel welcome anymore. Having to discuss something as trivial as this in such length is saddening. | 15:48:37 |
 infinisil | Suggestion: Link to a wiki article specifically for unofficial community spaces. This does require one more click to get to reddit and Discord, but it also allows other places to be easily added by anybody | 15:50:19 |
 djacu | In reply to @janik0:matrix.org
It honestly doesn't seem like that, I can go onto r/nixos and easily find >10 posts/comments with anything from personal harassment to straight up hateful comments toward minorities. The only post that I'm aware that was removed was by a reddit auto-moderation action. And did you report those posts/comments? We cannot know what is or is not being done without communicating with the mods of that space. | 15:51:20 |
| djacu | In reply to @janik0:matrix.org
And honestly, it is really bad that we are at a point where "just a few hateful comments here and there" just get's accepted like it's nothing. strawman | 15:51:28 |
| djacu | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
Suggestion: Link to a wiki article specifically for unofficial community spaces. This does require one more click to get to reddit and Discord, but it also allows other places to be easily added by anybody A link to the nixos subreddit was actually removed recently from the wiki.
https://wiki.nixos.org/w/index.php?title=Get_In_Touch&diff=prev&oldid=12699 | 15:52:27 |
| infinisil | Ah, I feel like this would be a good compromise though | 15:54:32 |
 hexa | The wiki is an official platform, and I reverted a change there that was made unilaterally, pointing to the the requirement to discuss this and sync with the decision for the homepage. | 15:59:58 |
| hexa | * | 16:00:35 |
| hexa | So making the wiki pages unofficial again when it runs under the nixos.org domain seems wrong | 16:01:27 |
| djacu | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
So making the wiki pages unofficial again when it runs under the nixos.org domain seems wrong I'm sorry I am having trouble understanding this comment. What would make the wiki pages unofficial? | 16:07:43 |
| @janik0:matrix.org | In reply to @djacu:matrix.org
And did you report those posts/comments? We cannot know what is or is not being done without communicating with the mods of that space.
We cannot know what is or is not being done without communicating with the mods of that space.
Afaik people tried reaching out to the Reddit mods in the past to talk with but they were basically ignored.
| 16:32:01 |
| @janik0:matrix.org | In reply to @djacu:matrix.org
strawman How is that a strawman? Effectively by us not just accepting but promoting the reddit and the discord we accept those hateful comments. | 16:33:18 |
| @janik0:matrix.org | In reply to @djacu:matrix.org
I'm sorry I am having trouble understanding this comment. What would make the wiki pages unofficial? I think what hexa is saying is that the wiki was unofficial before and between making them unofficial again to include links to said pages in question it is preferable to keep the wiki official. | 16:34:20 |
| @janik0:matrix.org | In reply to @djacu:matrix.org
I'm sorry I am having trouble understanding this comment. What would make the wiki pages unofficial? * I think what hexa is saying is that the wiki was unofficial before and between making it unofficial again to include links to said pages in question it is preferable to keep the wiki official. | 16:35:29 |
| infinisil | Whether the wiki links to only official places doesn't determine whether it's official itself. And there's already a ton of unofficial links on the wiki too | 16:37:53 |
| infinisil | * | 16:38:05 |
 nat-418 | In reply to @garbas:matrix.org
A community in the eyes of marketing is different what community is in the eyes of moderation. We need to show and will where different parts of the community are. There are definitely problems with nixos reddit, but if anybody thinks unlinking them from nixos org will solve the problem they are wrong. We have already more than half a year of evidence to support this. Unlinking to nixos reddit should not be the first step and right now new users receive more support there than anywhere else. Especially for those who are regulars on that platform. I think this is the root issue: the nixos.org website is the official homepage of the project. The Discourse and Matrix Space are the official community comms platforms. I haven't found any other Linux distro or package manager that just links to wherever whoever is talking about the project. I don't know why this is a "need". | 16:38:58 |
| nat-418 | In reply to @djacu:matrix.org
And did you report those posts/comments? We cannot know what is or is not being done without communicating with the mods of that space. I don't know how to do that without actually having an account, joining, etc. At the end of the day, I don't see why Nix needs to promote the Reddit data-harvesting / ad product. | 16:39:34 |
| nat-418 | In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org
Whether the wiki links to only official places doesn't determine whether it's official itself. And there's already a ton of unofficial links on the wiki if you think there is a good wiki page to link to I will add that in my PR. I think allowing folks easy access to add more links also helps accomplish what @garbas seemingly wanted in terms of allowing folks to find wherever whoever is talking about nix easily | 16:42:29 |
| nat-418 | I was gonna add a "PR to add more unofficial channels" but the wiki is probably lower barrier to entry and would get more use | 16:43:12 |
| nat-418 | * I was gonna add a "PR to add more unofficial channels" link but the wiki is probably lower barrier to entry and would get more use | 16:43:22 |
 mica | In reply to @nat418:matrix.org
I don't know how to do that without actually having an account, joining, etc. At the end of the day, I don't see why Nix needs to promote the Reddit data-harvesting / ad product. Reddit's business model is not relevant to this issue. | 16:51:47 |
| mica | As someone who has revived better help from unofficial places than official places, I understand linking reddit and discord. I don't know if I think either of those platforms are good for me, but getting help is getting help. | 16:55:00 |
| nat-418 | In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
Reddit's business model is not relevant to this issue. I don't know in what world people are aware Nix exists but not Reddit or X. I just don't see why we need to promote these social media platforms that are already huge and well-known. | 17:16:55 |
| nat-418 | Like why not link to a Google search with the word "nixos" in it? | 17:17:15 |
| mica | I think that has already been answered in the above discourse. | 17:20:05 |
| nat-418 | Can you link me where? I don't see it. | 17:20:32 |
| mica | Redacted or Malformed Event | 17:23:03 |
| mica | Aw dang, thats the text not a link | 17:23:23 |
