| 23 Jul 2021 |
 matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Well, even people who are using Linux, developing for Linux, etc, are using MacOS as their work machine. | 03:53:17 |
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
This is why I think it makes the most sense to market towards those people who have this understanding rather than those who don't. This is a good point, maybe we can't cater Fulanita Perez. | 03:53:42 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * This is a good point, maybe we can't cater Fulanita Perez (nice of Jon Doe). | 03:53:58 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | NixOS is going to handle itself on the user side, IMO. The community is growing, it has a cult following, it's going to get bigger. I don't think it's a big worry. | 03:54:02 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | The bigger worry is how we get serious in business. | 03:54:09 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Getting companies to respect Nix as a tool. | 03:54:28 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Wuality! | 03:54:31 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Quality! | 03:54:36 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Quality! Standardization! Governance! | 03:54:55 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Then it will become what we hate :P
| 03:55:05 |
 davidak | i think we have an amazing technical foundation for a stable and flexible system, but we have to invent a way how people can use this power. and i think we have no one in the community that would be capable to do this, because it currently attracts people with the opposite mindset | 03:55:08 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | I have both midnsets | 03:55:37 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | ... and the corporate, too. | 03:55:48 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * I have both mindsets | 03:55:54 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | But you describe an important structural bias. | 03:57:03 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Still, I think we should look for adjacent user personas, with higher prio. | 03:58:40 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | It's just cheaper to get there and reach out | 03:58:55 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | (and probably also more effective) | 03:59:07 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | (and augments our nimbus) | 03:59:14 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I think that the "normal person" user base is growing and expanding, an doing very well. | 03:59:29 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | (and corporate is lured in) | 03:59:27 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | It's actually one of the fastest growing parts of Nix. | 03:59:40 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Nah, we have to be honest, I'm not "normal". 😎😂 | 03:59:53 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I can't prove it with numbers, but Discord (Unofficial), Reddit, Discourse, have seen remarkable growth. | 04:00:12 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | But Nix is a programming language. And whatever we do has to result in code. How many successful visual programming systems do you know of? | 04:00:39 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Maybe, we can discern if it's rather the tech savy user for productivity or the system sculptor? | 04:01:02 |
| davidak | yeah, we have to market it what is does best and to people that care | 04:01:07 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | If it doesn't result in code, somehow, it's not really inheriting the qualities we want. And that's more or less the problem with other things. | 04:01:20 |
| davidak | i think about the potential it has. it will take 10+ years to make it accessible to the mainstream | 04:01:37 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | So we have to do the impossible, and make the world's first fully competent visual programming system that normal users can use to great effect. | 04:01:44 |
