| 31 Mar 2023 |
 Guillaume Desforges | In reply to @nixinator:nixos.dev
Ok , I understand now it has been being developed for 20 years, flakes change the game. It’s now time to upgrade this bit of philosophy from Haskell .I want nix to be successful no matter what the cost. I agree that Nix does not have to "avoid success at any cost". Unlike Haskell, Nix is very simple. We can look at code from 5, 10, 20 years from now and understand it/run it. Also it's not that much about research anymore. So Nix does not have the same issues and questions.
We can take what Nix is now and make it successful. | 07:48:59 |
| Guillaume Desforges | However, that might be different for NixOS. Would a symlink at /bin/bash make it more successful? I bet, yes. Is it the best solution? Many people argue it is not. Should we cut corners to facilitate adoption ? Maybe | 07:50:31 |
| Guillaume Desforges | In any case, as i understand, it's not about the tech. The marketing is about getting people into the adoption funnel and provide feedback on that funnel | 07:51:24 |
| Guillaume Desforges | * In any case, as i understand, it's not about the tech. The marketing is about getting people into the adoption funnel and provide feedback on that funnel to the other teams | 07:51:37 |
| Guillaume Desforges | (i can be corrected here) | 07:52:06 |
 @nixinator:nixos.dev | What I’ve been hearing in the field , you are essentially right. | 07:52:47 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | I believe the front page of nixos.org should say. Nix, it beats the pants off everything else. | 07:55:50 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | Simple. | 07:56:11 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | Not my words | 07:56:42 |
| Guillaume Desforges | In reply to @nixinator:nixos.dev
I believe the front page of nixos.org should say. Nix, it beats the pants off everything else. That I disagree. You don't become great by belittling others. You show, don't tell. | 07:57:57 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0uixRE8xlbY : 16:34 | 07:59:03 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | Really? This Belittling language is quite common place here. Who coined that ? | 07:59:47 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | You don’t need to tell me I I know. | 08:00:21 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | * You don’t need to tell me I know. | 08:00:32 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | Anyway gotta goto work… toodle pip . | 08:00:52 |
| Guillaume Desforges | I'm fresh and new so you do need to tell me "who coined that" and we can work on it together. | 08:01:57 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | You need to think about belittling. It’s a charged word. Marketing it about selling the sizzle , not that sausage. | 08:04:04 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | It’s about inpact | 08:04:24 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | Fun, and getting attention | 08:04:35 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | I don’t see that with org official marketing. It’s dull , wordy and uninteresting , but I think that’s just historical . I think it’s served brilliantly .. and who ever did I commend them. | 08:06:04 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | For volunteers its incredibly amazing | 08:06:42 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | So I’m here singing everyones praises . The rust marketing is absolutely top notch. | 08:07:53 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | However I think they may pay for that service. | 08:08:23 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | But this belittling narative , I can’t go along with it any longer. Hench I am leaving the nixos marketing team for now. | 08:10:33 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev | Good luck and may the nix be with you, always | 08:10:57 |
| @nixinator:nixos.dev left the room. | 08:11:14 |
| Guillaume Desforges | Too bad he left. I had a good point to make 😅 | 08:22:40 |
| Guillaume Desforges | I think, just like with friends, you can allow to mock others when they know well that you mean well and you are more than that. It's the same for the NixOS marketing: i don't mind memes and mocking other communities... once it's established everywhere that we are here to laugh _with_ them, not _of_ them | 08:24:21 |
| Guillaume Desforges | So I'll argue the top of NixOS.org does not feel like the best place to meme. It's the first contact you get. You don't just go to a stranger and make fun of them. | 08:25:16 |
| Guillaume Desforges | However I'm all for making a bit of fun of the competition oftentimes e.g. on social media (I find the MacDonald/Birger King rivalry very fun on Twitter) | 08:26:13 |
