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| NixOS Marketing | 270 Members |
| NixOS website + marketing team: https://nixos.org/community/teams/marketing.html | 59 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 27 Mar 2023 | ||
 matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I've had that experience too many times to count. | 12:59:01 |
 Bryan Honof | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it As far as I'm aware there's a million definitions, which doesn't help. But the reproducible builds initiative shares that name. At FOSDEM someone told me they were confused if Nix was part of that or not. We're also kind of ignoring some people's work at trying to get Nix into that project. Which doesn't help. | 12:59:21 |
| Bryan Honof | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.itDefinitely, but not if you interrupt them 10x to do it. That "oh, but Nix" moment should almost be timed :P | 13:00:00 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | There's a point at which you know it's not worth continuing shilling Nix, I know that threshold now. But most people are more willing than you think. | 13:00:34 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Also the right setting, like at a conference vs online in their chatrooms. | 13:01:03 |
| Bryan Honof | True, but I think we can agree that forcefully trying to sell them Nix doesn't help either party. | 13:01:31 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Sure, I can agree on that. | 13:01:41 |
| Bryan Honof | It's also quite true we currently don't recognize other distros/projects, like raitobezarius says. We could give them shoutouts on social media when they achieve something. But then again, the socials a.t.m. seem to attract people that are already somewhat involved with Nix. | 13:03:44 |
| Bryan Honof | Perhaps starting with wishing them a happy anniversary when they have one would be a good start? | 13:04:54 |
| Bryan Honof | We could look at projects trying to advance field that Nix is also interested in an give them shoutouts that way? What do you think? | 13:05:23 |
 raboof | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.itOf course the reproducible builds project doesn't get to define the word "reproducible". Because of wide recognition of the phrase "reproducible builds", I think we should avoid using that particular phrase for other types of reproducibility - that is just confusing (and can even be seen as piggy-backing, even when unintentional). As for definition, I think the tagline ("a set of software development practices that create an independently-verifiable path from source to binary code") sums it up nicely, and does imply bit-by-bit reproducibility (which can indeed be hard 😆) | 13:18:08 |
 raitobezarius | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
Please, let's not make statement like those. I think we ought to be the bigger person in those situations, I believe we have a great community and that's why I am hopeful we can do better. Let's treat them with respect, no matter what our previous experiences were (they might not be representative of their community, they might be changing, etc.) as we would like to have for us too. | 14:10:37 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @bjth:matrix.org Moreover, to me, as a NixOS developer, I benefit a lot of the work from other distributions such as Gentoo, Debian or even Archlinux. We are going to benefit from this and I do not want to make it look like we "fixed" everything because NixOS is amazing, etc. Yes, NixOS can do a lot of incredible things, but also because we are building all together even if we do not see it "directly". Foxboron for example is working on https://github.com/golang/go/issues/57120 -- true, bit to bit reproducibility is hard, but this is going to benefit us in the end, we are going to say we have bit to bit reproducibility for Go, but it's a Archlinux developer who has been driving this change. Let's empower everyone in the Linux distribution community, this is also a very sustainable fashion to draw people to NixOS, other than just simply "oh, but Nix" in every discussion. We can explain what we do and our struggles. I also had many situations where explaining honestly our challenges and how do we benefit from other distribution made the person interested into NixOS. | 14:16:39 |
| Bryan Honof | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.orgYup, I agree with this. Also had the same experience where empathy actually got them to look at Nix. | 14:18:14 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Who is it that is denying the work of others? I haven't done that, and I don't see others doing that. | 14:18:41 |
| Bryan Honof | I don't think anyone is actively denying the work of others, but we also don't mention/appreciate it anywhere. | 14:19:17 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | The lobste.rs thread has a lot of discussion, and as a direct reply to Raito is:
| 14:19:56 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it"#shuddausednix" to a rant on Archlinux is saying "heh, you are using a bad distribution, you wouldn't have this issue with NixOS", at least, for Archlinux developers | 14:20:01 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.orgI mean, if you think that, you should go see my usage of it on Twitter. | 14:20:19 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | It's not intended to be offensive. I think you're just rumbled by it. Which is a bit funny lol. | 14:20:50 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Just last night it actually convinced someone to join the Matrix, and they've been wanting to convert to Nix. | 14:21:52 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | And they asked to hire someone to mentor them. | 14:22:04 |