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21 Nov 2021
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23 Nov 2021
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25 Nov 2021
@ysndr:matrix.orgysndr

Sparked by a recent discussion on Reddit I’m putting together a more detailed guide on the differences of nix develop and nix shell

Preview here:
https://ysndr.de/beta/23/posts/guides/2021-11-30-nix-shells/

PR here: https://github.com/ysndr/blog/pull/23

In case you are interested or want to give feedback
It’s still only 40% done but I thought I might share it here already

18:52:08
@ysndr:matrix.orgysndr *

Sparked by a recent discussion on Reddit I’m putting together a more detailed guide on the differences of nix-shell, nix develop and nix shell

Preview here:
https://ysndr.de/beta/23/posts/guides/2021-11-30-nix-shells/

PR here: https://github.com/ysndr/blog/pull/23

In case you are interested or want to give feedback
It’s still only 40% done but I thought I might share it here already

18:57:15
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberek20211125_14h10m09s_grim.png
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19:10:41
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekThere needs to be a simple way to describe the three options, something like this: 19:10:45
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekIt also makes it easier to describe and teach if you can organize it in a table format. It also allow for more consistent implementation and UX.19:12:29
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekAn example release doc showcasing specific features, with links to relevant RFC and docs: https://www.php.net/releases/8.1/en.php21:04:42
26 Nov 2021
@ysndr:matrix.orgysndr
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sent an image.
isnt the idea of nix develop to not build anything but its dependencies on its own? Or maybe I am misinterpreting the table
11:27:50
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberek That table is not accurate, just trying to express the organizational idea. 14:55:23
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberek Though it would build the dependencies themselves? I’m also trying to think of the shebang use-case. 14:56:18
30 Nov 2021
@ysndr:matrix.orgysndrhttps://ysndr.de/beta/23/posts/guides/2021-11-30-nix-shells/ will go typo hunting over the next days but if you want to suggest some changes or give a review, the PR for it is here, I'm happy about any comment https://github.com/ysndr/blog/pull/2300:20:39
1 Dec 2021
@jan:smittie.delockejan joined the room.15:13:58
@jan:smittie.delockejan

Hi 👋 I tried finding some resources on the website, but found some empty pages instead. For instance, https://nixos.org/guides/install-nix.html and https://nixos.org/guides/dev-environment.html are reachable but without any content.

While looking into the source on GH I found that these pages are referenced in the build-template but they are non-existent in the source. I also couldn't find them in the git history. Have they been deliberately deleted? (I'm not 100% sure but I thought they existed at some point on the website)🤔

16:03:10
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekuh oh, guides are gone?16:05:34
@jan:smittie.delockejan Ah, I found something in the history. This commit deleted some of those on AuthorDate: Sat Sep 5 01:51:41 2020 +0200 : 552e23851b8b390dbb72385a89147f372b38d610 16:07:59
@jan:smittie.delockejan * Ah, I found something in the git history. This commit deleted some of those on AuthorDate: Sat Sep 5 01:51:41 2020 +0200 : 552e23851b8b390dbb72385a89147f372b38d610 16:08:11
@jan:smittie.delockejanAh, nope. Sry, It's a loose end.🙈16:09:58
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekIt's VERY probably I broke it here: https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-homepage/pull/764/files#diff-206b9ce276ab5971a2489d75eb1b12999d4bf3843b7988cbe8d687cfde61dea0R140 (the /html directory didn't exist, we were not sure why or if nix.dev had changed structure)16:12:09
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberek * It's VERY probable I broke it here: https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-homepage/pull/764/files#diff-206b9ce276ab5971a2489d75eb1b12999d4bf3843b7988cbe8d687cfde61dea0R140 (the /html directory didn't exist, we were not sure why or if nix.dev had changed structure)16:12:16
@jan:smittie.delockejanHm, ok. I'll look into it. I found the missing files inside the quickstart-guide branch: https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-homepage/tree/quickstart-guide/guides16:14:49
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberekthx!16:15:11
@jan:smittie.delockejan
In reply to @tomberek:matrix.org
It's VERY probable I broke it here: https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-homepage/pull/764/files#diff-206b9ce276ab5971a2489d75eb1b12999d4bf3843b7988cbe8d687cfde61dea0R140 (the /html directory didn't exist, we were not sure why or if nix.dev had changed structure)
Hm, I can't tell if your merge caused the problem. Anyway, I would test the source with the missing files from the branch and open a PR then if that's ok.
16:19:22
@tomberek:matrix.orgtomberek please! (btw: garbas probably has better knowledge about how the nix.dev guides are brought in and transformed) 16:20:29
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@jan:smittie.delockejan *

I have the feeling that the README is outdated...
At least I'm not able to setup the website project locally...
nix-shell gives me an error and I'm to new to nix to handle it properly...

error: nix-shell requires a single derivation
Try '/nix/store/icxznkxwxdwfz8yivdc1d4qc2bnwy9vf-nix-2.4/bin/nix-shell --help' for more information.
17:21:07
@jan:smittie.delockejan *

I have the feeling that the README is outdated...
At least I'm not able to setup the website project locally...
nix-shell gives me an error and I'm too new to nix to handle it properly...

error: nix-shell requires a single derivation
Try '/nix/store/icxznkxwxdwfz8yivdc1d4qc2bnwy9vf-nix-2.4/bin/nix-shell --help' for more information.

Any thoughts how I can fix this?

17:21:33
@jan:smittie.delockejanHm, unfortunately I can't test the website-project. Is it expected to not work under MacOs?🤔17:39:34
@jan:smittie.delockejan * Hm, unfortunately I can't test the website-project. Is it expected to not work under MacOs?🤔 (I)17:43:49

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