| 2 Mar 2023 |
 evils | (any audience i'd give a talk to would be a somewhat scattered sampling) | 22:53:15 |
 jeremiahs | Give it 3 months they will find something not in nix. Now what. | 22:53:31 |
| evils | they won't make it 3 months if you lose them in the first 10 minutes | 22:53:51 |
| evils | In reply to @jeremiahs:matrix.org
Give it 3 months they will find something not in nix. Now what. open a package request?
(i may be underestimating the average user's willingness to package stuff, i only got into Nix because i was learning about packaging..)
| 22:55:13 |
| evils | In reply to @jeremiahs:matrix.org
Give it 3 months they will find something not in nix. Now what. * open a package request?
(i may be underestimating the average user's willingness to package stuff, i only got into Nix because i was learning about packaging...)
| 22:55:15 |
| jeremiahs | The point is setting realistic expectations day one. Break it up into different segments. Nixos, nixpkgs, home manager. Highly recommend learning derivations and modules. | 22:55:27 |
| evils | i agree that knowledge about packaging gives a fairly nice overview of some core concepts | 22:55:58 |
| jeremiahs | In reply to @evils:nixos.dev
open a package request?
(i may be underestimating the average user's willingness to package stuff, i only got into Nix because i was learning about packaging...)
I have 3 or 4 I need to bring in right now. Some already have requests waiting for others to pick up and bring them in. | 22:56:40 |
| evils | i just think i couldn't convince my friends to use Nixpkgs / NixOS by forcing them to sit through a packaging lecture
and i don't think they'd be interested in receiving one voluntarily, no matter how many times i see them run into issues NixOS solves | 22:57:07 |
| jeremiahs | Here is the thing. If packaging lectures are available more people have an opportunity to learn to do them meaning over time less packages hang in an issue request. | 22:58:20 |
| evils | oh, i absolutely think this kind of stuff should just be available to those that are looking for it | 22:58:43 |
| evils | i'm thinking about a general audience at my local hackerspace's conference xD | 22:59:15 |
| jeremiahs | My mind is oriented about proper expectations to the user. | 22:59:41 |
| jeremiahs | I don't want to lie to them. | 22:59:48 |
| evils | lie, like, Nix will solve all your problems and save you hours of misery? | 23:00:37 |
| jeremiahs | I'd have saved a lot of time if I knew how derivations worked fully by now xD. I'm only just starting to wrap my head around the mess. By no means am I trying to attack nix as a project. I just don't want to see common avoidable roadblocks for users. | 23:02:55 |
| evils | i'm planning on starting my workshop as an extension of the Q&A of the Nix introduction talk before it (bjth's talk, not mine)
which as far as i recall doesn't make any claims | 23:03:02 |
| jeremiahs | For sake of brevity please look at the nixos.org learn page. | 23:04:12 |
| jeremiahs | Tell me what you see? | 23:04:23 |
| evils | are you planning on doing an in person course or is this more of an online written thing? | 23:04:36 |
| evils | hmm, i don't seem to have linked this here yet, some very rough thoughts
https://gitlab.com/evils/talk-of-nix | 23:04:59 |
| evils | In reply to @jeremiahs:matrix.org
Tell me what you see? no overview of the ecosystem | 23:05:42 |
| jeremiahs | In reply to @evils:nixos.dev
are you planning on doing an in person course or is this more of an online written thing? Online and interactive, written with examples and quizes. With an overall goal of covering common pain points and confusions in packaging. | 23:07:00 |
| jeremiahs | In reply to @evils:nixos.dev
no overview of the ecosystem Right, I also see people clicking off instantly. | 23:07:21 |
| jeremiahs | I do have to step away. Feel free to dm me. | 23:09:39 |
| evils | Unfortunately I really need to go sleep, and my desktop froze again... | 23:10:10 |
| jeremiahs | In reply to @evils:nixos.dev
Unfortunately I really need to go sleep, and my desktop froze again... take care! | 23:10:54 |
| evils | ok, desktop's back up | 23:15:23 |
| evils | just gonna leave an open question here:
what's this channel's opinion on which channel is more appropriate for discussing introductory material
this one or the documentation one? | 23:16:02 |
| 3 Mar 2023 |
 hexa | https://jvns.ca/blog/2023/02/28/some-notes-on-using-nix/ | 03:59:28 |
