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| Sender | Message | Time |
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| 23 Jul 2021 | ||
 tomberek | I’m not convinced that certification is the easiest way to solve the adoption problem. In fact, certification seems to be better when there is so much adoption that distinguishing between levels of expertise provides value to a company/resume/signaling. Ie, is there a problem out there of hiring managers being unable to determine if a candidate has enough Nix experience for a position? When I do hiring, I’ve learned to distrust certifications and see them as having very low signal value. Though I understand that it provides an easy hiring filter. Then again, if the benefits of owning the certification process is deemed valuable enough, it would also bring more resources in to solve the adoption problem itself. | 17:54:47 |
| 24 Jul 2021 | ||
 kunrooted | Over here, I see more and more people looking forward to either get at least one certification or recruiters that want to see at least one certification. I've even seen people who didn't get hired, no matter what Uni education they had, just because they didn't have OSCP or any other entry-level cybersec certification. But maybe that's just our local thing (Eastern Europe/Russia). Or maybe that's just what I've seen, doesn't mean it's the majority of our Job market. Anyway, I hope that this topic can be further discussed. I just believe that this would be the great opportunity, not only for Nix users wanting to get certified and rising their qualifications, but also for the Nix itself. Keeping my fingers crossed for this, I really hope to see such things one day. | 14:15:27 |
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round | 14:33:33 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. | 14:33:48 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, such as well respected community dignitaries, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. | 14:34:13 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, such as well respected community dignitaries, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. Of course a community based certification would not immediately satisfy the requirements of HR signaling, but it could get a chance evolving into that. | 14:35:31 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, such as well respected community dignitaries, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. Of course a community based certification would not immediately satisfy the requirements of HR signaling, but it could get a chance evolving into that. I think it would be interesting to design a prestigious enough title where responsibility comes attached as a side effect for very little perceived personal cost: so prestige would outweigh the cost of taking responsibility and stake | 14:37:43 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Maybe there is room for some more community based approach, e.g. to "earn" commit access or something that comes attached with some increased voting rights? Currently those nuances exist in practice, such as well respected community dignitaries, but they are an emerging and somewhat intransparent property of our community process. The better "certification" can be aligned with our inherent community needs & goals, the more this might get a win-win all the way round. Of course a community based certification would not immediately satisfy the requirements of HR signaling, but it could get a chance evolving into that. I think it would be interesting to design a prestigious enough title where responsibility comes attached as a side effect for very little perceived personal cost: so prestige would outweigh the cost of taking responsibility and stake. | 14:37:57 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS evolves... | 14:42:24 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS evolves... | 14:42:39 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS evolves... | 14:43:05 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS ecosystems evolve... | 14:43:23 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Is anybody familiar with how "certification" works in traditional craftsman professions throughout Europe? (I have somewhat of an idea how that works in Germany.) It seems that this "guilde" processes **and traditions** "to become a professional" have been emerging and establishing over time, maybe not too unsimilar to how OSS ecosystems evolve... | 14:43:50 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Btw. I find it intriguing that "processes" and "traditions" are part of the same spectrum of how people organize. 😂 | 14:45:40 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Maybe "processes" are just tools to chase traditions around. But when it comes to certification processes, could we start thinking our way up from our current traditions? | 14:50:50 |
| kunrooted | In reply to @blaggacao:matrix.orgTraditional craftsman professions in here require some time of practice + school which gives you certifications after you graduate from that (Eastern Europe - most of the countries + Russia) | 15:02:55 |
| kunrooted | In reply to @blaggacao:matrix.org* Traditional craftsman professions in here require some time of practice + school which gives you certifications after you graduate from that (Eastern Europe - most of the countries + Russia) after that - you can open your own 'company' of some kind providing the service | 15:03:39 |
| kunrooted | I dunno if it answers your question, I'm not English native, sorry if I misunderstood something. | 15:04:09 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Do we have a certifiable name? "Nix Craftsman" (TM)? 😂 | 15:07:47 |
| kunrooted | I had some "stupid" ideas:
| 15:10:04 |
| kunrooted | * I had some "stupid" ideas:
😂 | 15:10:13 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Yeah, maybe we can't get our way around acronyms to be taken seriously by HR Signal Receivers. | 15:10:59 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | (HRSR) 😂 | 15:11:12 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | CNCFJ - Certified Nix Crfatsman For Java | 15:13:35 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | CNCFOS - Certified Nix Craftsman for Operating Systems | 15:14:11 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * CNCFOS - Certified Nix Craftsman For Operating Systems | 15:14:20 |
| kunrooted | I mean, given the fact that some cybersec certs are:
and so on... | 15:14:30 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * CNCFJ - Certified Nix Craftsman For Java | 15:14:55 |
| kunrooted | * I mean, given the fact that some cybersec certs are:
and so on... | 15:15:02 |
| kunrooted | but really, I wish to see the idea of Nix certs further considered | 15:15:23 |