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18 Jul 2025
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI guess we could do that for new rooms17:59:33
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilymany of our existing rooms are adopted though17:59:34
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily oops sorry network issues 17:59:43
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily
In reply to @charles:computer.surgery
i think a protocol could get at least some outage resiliency by having a set of trusted write nodes, but not sure yet what the best way to accomplish that would be
well it's still ultimately just going to be a Paxos type thing right
18:03:57
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyso you have the usual everything goes down if the ~centralized authority does thing18:04:30
@charles:computer.surgeryCharlesafaik, yes18:04:46
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilybut it's fine. tbh. Matrix isn't resilient enough for the resilience features to pay dividends18:04:52
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyand optimizing for everything going down or being untrustworthy doesn't solve everything sucking really bad if everything goes down or is untrustworthy. someone's gotta do maintenance18:05:47
@cat:feline.supportCatMatrix is still not totally centralised even with the v12 change18:06:04
@cat:feline.supportCatbut yes its more centralised ofc but atleast your not completely offline just because someone is having maintennance.18:06:30
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyit seems it is buying even less than before with the costs it pays for decentralization though?18:06:41
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily
In reply to @cat:feline.support
but yes its more centralised ofc but atleast your not completely offline just because someone is having maintennance.
I'm not sure you want availability when your Draupnir is down
18:07:12
@cat:feline.supportCatfair18:07:27
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyit's kind of a pretty large target to paint on your rooms18:07:38
@charles:computer.surgeryCharlesyeah you got the right idea18:09:40
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyultimately most communities do have centralized control. Matrix doesn't even serve the centralized decision-making case well because it's not like you can vote on mod actions without a central agent mediating that18:16:27
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily(ok I'm sure there's some big brained MSC for this)18:16:40
@gnu_ponut:matrix.orgGnuxie 💜🐝 policy servers are pretty close and a concession in the right direction 18:18:36
@gnu_ponut:matrix.orgGnuxie 💜🐝 problem is they fail open atm I think 18:18:54
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyrighr18:19:12
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily * 18:19:16
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily if you're interested in other protocol designs like @charles:computer.surgery and accept that principle then I think you probably want to strip away a lot of Matrix complexity though 18:19:54
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilysince it just buys you much less at that point18:20:08
@gnu_ponut:matrix.orgGnuxie 💜🐝 it's true but that's not going to happen overnight 18:28:07
@emma:rory.gayEmma [it/its]i dont like the idea of matrix being centralised but i do appreciate being at least somewhat able to cover the usecase via policy servers18:31:01
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily
In reply to @gnu_ponut:matrix.org
it's true but that's not going to happen overnight
oh for sure. I appreciate the work you put in
18:36:41
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI was only talking in the context of Charles expressing a desire for a differently-shaped protocol which I agree with18:37:11
@quadradical:federated.nexusQuadRadical (Ping / Reply)ive got my eye on polyproto19:16:47
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