| 18 Jul 2025 |
 emily | it seems it is buying even less than before with the costs it pays for decentralization though? | 18:06:41 |
| emily | In reply to @cat:feline.support
but yes its more centralised ofc but atleast your not completely offline just because someone is having maintennance. I'm not sure you want availability when your Draupnir is down | 18:07:12 |
 Cat | fair | 18:07:27 |
| emily | it's kind of a pretty large target to paint on your rooms | 18:07:38 |
 Charles | yeah you got the right idea | 18:09:40 |
| emily | ultimately most communities do have centralized control. Matrix doesn't even serve the centralized decision-making case well because it's not like you can vote on mod actions without a central agent mediating that | 18:16:27 |
| emily | (ok I'm sure there's some big brained MSC for this) | 18:16:40 |
 Gnuxie 💜🐝 | policy servers are pretty close and a concession in the right direction | 18:18:36 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | problem is they fail open atm I think | 18:18:54 |
| emily | righr | 18:19:12 |
| emily | * | 18:19:16 |
| emily | if you're interested in other protocol designs like @charles:computer.surgery and accept that principle then I think you probably want to strip away a lot of Matrix complexity though | 18:19:54 |
| emily | since it just buys you much less at that point | 18:20:08 |
| Gnuxie 💜🐝 | it's true but that's not going to happen overnight | 18:28:07 |
 @emma:rory.gay | i dont like the idea of matrix being centralised but i do appreciate being at least somewhat able to cover the usecase via policy servers | 18:31:01 |
| emily | In reply to @gnu_ponut:matrix.org
it's true but that's not going to happen overnight oh for sure. I appreciate the work you put in | 18:36:41 |
| emily | I was only talking in the context of Charles expressing a desire for a differently-shaped protocol which I agree with | 18:37:11 |
