| 25 Jun 2021 |
 ash | yeah well i like my tools to not be entirely composed of unreleased featuresets | 02:28:37 |
| ash | what's even the point of stable nix if new releases never happen | 02:30:04 |
 nrdxp | I tried my best to stimulate discussion toward a consensus for a minimal/agreeable flake feature-set which could be pushed into a stable release. It wasn't entirely fruitless. | 02:34:01 |
| nrdxp | * I tried my best to stimulate discussion toward a consensus for a minimal/agreeable flake feature-set which could be pushed into a stable release. It wasn't entirely fruitless. But there is still much to be desired (and potentially an RFC to draft at some point) | 02:34:24 |
| nrdxp | * I tried my best to stimulate discussion toward a consensus for a minimal/agreeable flake feature-set which could be pushed into a stable release. It wasn't entirely fruitless. But there is still much to be desired (and potentially an RFC to draft at some point) | 02:36:51 |
| ash | i don't care about flakes (and frankly the nonsense has soured me toward them in general) so i have no horse in that race, but i do think it's awful that an unfinished highly-contested feature is blocking a new stable release | 02:42:00 |
| ash | it makes no sense. no other project with an rfc process has this issue, and we shouldn't either | 02:42:38 |
| nrdxp | Well I did say somewhere in that thread that even scrapping them altogether would be preferable to the current situation 😆 | 02:43:03 |
 hexa | what is worse is that backports of bugfixes rarely happen without someone being pushy about them | 02:43:05 |
| ash | i think we should scrap them and if people want them so bad they can go through the proper process this time | 02:44:09 |
| ash | it's not important enough to block the entire release pipeline for 2 years | 02:45:17 |
| ash | i don't honestly understand the dynamic here - why has nothing been done about the continued problem? | 02:57:55 |
| ash | is it because it's eelco that's pushing it? | 02:58:05 |
| ash | because nobody feels empowered to say "we should get rid of this and it can be reintroduced later, properly"? | 03:00:09 |
 David Arnold | nobody feels empowered to make decisions. | 03:00:46 |
| David Arnold | and tell others what to do... | 03:00:56 |
| David Arnold | Everyone is waiting what "evolves". | 03:01:39 |
| ash | fine, then i want to propose we definitively do something about this. how do i do that and get peoples' attention? | 03:01:41 |
| David Arnold | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
fine, then i want to propose we definitively do something about this. how do i do that and get peoples' attention? Writa an addition to the UFR | 03:01:59 |
| David Arnold | you can edit the docs... | 03:02:08 |
| David Arnold | I'd suggest a section about getting rid of nix 3.0 flake entangelement | 03:02:25 |
| David Arnold | It already says:
a highly contested item (“solve everything at once”)
| 03:03:06 |
| David Arnold | I think that's the pass for you to score your point | 03:03:26 |
| David Arnold | (or the point) | 03:03:38 |
| David Arnold | https://demo.hedgedoc.org/uyQYTpTVQbyvpdcJ6MvlQg?both# | 03:03:51 |
| David Arnold | (edit link) | 03:03:55 |
| ash | and where is this unofficial roadmap being pushed? | 03:03:59 |
| ash | this is the first time i've seen it | 03:04:12 |
| David Arnold | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
and where is this unofficial roadmap being pushed? It's going viral 🤣 | 03:04:19 |
| David Arnold | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
this is the first time i've seen it I'ts 2 days old or so | 03:04:32 |
